Rumor about Quinn

[_Daniel Peterson]

There's one simple reason that I think DCP did not learn of Quinn's sexual orientation until after 1985. Had DCP learned of it earlier, I think he would have been on a crusade of ratting Quinn out to BYU administrators to get the 'homosexual' out of BYU. DCP did not have to be teaching at BYU in that era to have been able to relay that information to BYU administrators.

Had DCP learned of this fact in 1982-85, I think DCP would have communicated that fact to administrators at BYU, who would have ended Quinn's teaching career at BYU long before 1988. So for this reason, I believe DCP now explaining that he did not learn of Quinn's sexual orientation in 1982-85.

Good grief. This place is a toxic swamp.

[_sock puppet]

There's one simple reason that I think DCP did not learn of Quinn's sexual orientation until after 1985. Had DCP learned of it earlier, I think he would have been on a crusade of ratting Quinn out to BYU administrators to get the 'homosexual' out of BYU. DCP did not have to be teaching at BYU in that era to have been able to relay that information to BYU administrators.

Had DCP learned of this fact in 1982-85, I think DCP would have communicated that fact to administrators at BYU, who would have ended Quinn's teaching career at BYU long before 1988. So for this reason, I believe DCP now explaining that he did not learn of Quinn's sexual orientation in 1982-85.

Good grief. This place is a toxic swamp.

Is that how you repay someone for explaining why they believe you?

[_Doctor Scratch]

He essentially occupies a position that is absolutist and that insists on ridiculing, embarrassing, punishing, and harming anyone who adopts an unorthodox view.

He's never ridiculed, embarrassed, punished, or harmed Jason Bourne, or Liz. I don't think he's done so for Cinepro either although he may have made a sarcastic reply or two to one of Cinepro's zingers.

I really think you're projecting here Scratch.

I've posted comments of his where he's said that NOM-types like Jason and Liz are a "danger" to the Church. Heck, he's said that if he had the power, he would take away Harmony's temple recommend. If you're not going to look at the facts, ABman, then I don't know why you bother participating in these kinds of discussions.

[_sock puppet]

There's one simple reason that I think DCP did not learn of Quinn's sexual orientation until after 1985. Had DCP learned of it earlier, I think he would have been on a crusade of ratting Quinn out to BYU administrators to get the 'homosexual' out of BYU. DCP did not have to be teaching at BYU in that era to have been able to relay that information to BYU administrators.

Had DCP learned of this fact in 1982-85, I think DCP would have communicated that fact to administrators at BYU, who would have ended Quinn's teaching career at BYU long before 1988. So for this reason, I believe DCP now explaining that he did not learn of Quinn's sexual orientation in 1982-85.

Good grief. This place is a toxic swamp.

If you found out today that someone else teaching at BYU is gay or lesbian, would you ought them to the BYU administration?

[_Daniel Peterson]

I've got work to do today. Places to go and people to see.

I note that Scratch is rolling out some of his meticulously spun Golden Oldies again. We've been over this ground many times. It never does any good.

There seems no realistic hope for a change here.

Is that how you repay someone for explaining why they believe you?

Cut the disingenuousness.

Am I supposed to thank you for portraying me, Scratch-like, as a hate-filled and meddlesome busybody who thinks nothing of wrecking others' lives? It's ironic that, while Scratch claims to actually have a network of "secret informants," you seem to be fine with that. Yet you falsely portray me as, precisely, a sneaky talebearer out to destroy careers.

Here's the truth: Had I had any inkling that Quinn was homosexual prior to his departure from BYU in 1988, I would have thought that a matter for him to work out, among other things, with his ecclesiastical and University leaders, and I would have assumed that they had done precisely that. None of my business.

I honestly don't see why your rejection of my religious beliefs entails that you try to paint me as a malicious scoundrel. I just don't get it.

But it does get tiresome.

[_stemelbow]

There's one simple reason that I think DCP did not learn of Quinn's sexual orientation until after 1985. Had DCP learned of it earlier, I think he would have been on a crusade of ratting Quinn out to BYU administrators to get the 'homosexual' out of BYU. DCP did not have to be teaching at BYU in that era to have been able to relay that information to BYU administrators.

Had DCP learned of this fact in 1982-85, I think DCP would have communicated that fact to administrators at BYU, who would have ended Quinn's teaching career at BYU long before 1988. So for this reason, I believe DCP now explaining that he did not learn of Quinn's sexual orientation in 1982-85.

Good grief. This place is a toxic swamp.

Don't go blaming this place because of Sock Puppet. Learn to ignore the dude. That's probaly what a response will entail.

Why so many decent folks sit idly by while he and a few others go off on these hostile rants that do nothing for progress and decency...I don't know. I don't think that many posters here realize what a goldmine they're sitting on with this board. They could really have something good happening here. But sadly, these types of posts are championed, ignored or condoned by silence. Truth is, I don't think there are very many posters here who would read this post by SP and hold him in high respect. They just don't say or do anything about it.

His post to me is eye-popping ridiculous. Really, what's the point?

[_Doctor Scratch]

Dan is not a "faith-destroyer"; he is a faith-builder.

To whom? You? Me? His various targets in the FARMS Review? The people on RfM that he mocked for his own amusement? The non-Mormon Christians he's so bitterly argued with over the years? The TBMs on MAD, who need no convincing?

[_Kevin Graham]

Good grief. This place is a toxic swamp

Dan, chill out. You have a couple of people giving you a hard time. At best, three. Most of the time it is just one guy out of dozens of regular posters.

Over at MAD these kinds of speculations and accusations fly and are shared among virtually all apologists, with nary a complaint. I've seen some truly hideous things said about folks like Metcalfe, all speculation of course. And I think you know this. So if this place is a "toxic swamp" because a couple of people give you a hard time (while the majority either stay silent or support you) then how much more of a toxic swamp is MAD? Or, for that matter, the chatter sessions about Quinn, Metcalfe, and other apostates, which take place at LDS conferences or LDS e-lists?

At least over here you are free to come and set the record straight. If I tried to set the record straight after MAD posters started rumors about me, I was always banned immediately.

[_sock puppet]

I've got work to do today. Places to go and people to see.

I note that Scratch is rolling out some of his meticulously spun Golden Oldies again. We've been over this ground many times. It never does any good.

There seems no realistic hope for a change here.

Is that how you repay someone for explaining why they believe you?

Cut the disingenuousness.

Am I supposed to thank you for portraying me, Scratch-like, as a hate-filled and meddlesome busybody who thinks nothing of wrecking others' lives? It's ironic that, while Scratch claims to actually have a network of "secret informants," you seem to be fine with that. Yet you falsely portray me as, precisely, a sneaky talebearer out to destroy careers.

Here's the truth: Had I had any inkling that Quinn was homosexual prior to his departure from BYU in 1988, I would have thought that a matter for him to work out, among other things, with his ecclesiastical and University leaders, and I would have assumed that they had done precisely that. None of my business.

I honestly don't see why your rejection of my religious beliefs entails that you try to paint me as a malicious scoundrel. I just don't get it.

But it does get tiresome.

I think it is part of Mormon religious beliefs that if a Mormon learns something unsavory, sinful about another Mormon, the one that learned of this is under a duty to notify the other's Mormon superiors, rather than to assume that his ecclesiastical and University leaders know about it and that it has all been resolved.

[_asbestosman]

I've posted comments of his where he's said that NOM-types like Jason and Liz are a "danger" to the Church. Heck, he's said that if he had the power, he would take away Harmony's temple recommend.

Note that I did not mention Harmony. Also note what Jason Bourne has said in this thread. How is expressing the opinion that NOM-types are danger qualify as "ridiculing, embarrassing, punishing, and harming?" Let's not shift the goal-posts.

If you're not going to look at the facts, ABman, then I don't know why you bother participating in these kinds of discussions.

Oh Scratch, you're killing me! Physician, heal thyself.