just me wrote: Then I told him that he only needs to say he keeps the LoC and that some people may tell him that masturbating isn't okay but they are wrong. I said that is nobody's business and he should just say "yes" to the LoC.
So you are encouraging your son to lie? Much better to take the 5th. If one has a son, one needs to talk about sperm drops on the bathroom floor. Young boys can miss those suckers. Would you like to clean your son's sperm drops? Boys and masturbation can be a sloppy endeavor.
I remember a friend of mine telling me about one of his companions who would masturbate in the bathroom. Of course, he thought no one knew. But my friend would often find his mess on the bathroom floor. Just one of the complications of a careless masturbator.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
just me wrote: Then I told him that he only needs to say he keeps the LoC and that some people may tell him that masturbating isn't okay but they are wrong. I said that is nobody's business and he should just say "yes" to the LoC.
So you are encouraging your son to lie? Much better to take the 5th. If one has a son, one needs to talk about sperm drops on the bathroom floor. Young boys can miss those suckers. Would you like to clean your son's sperm drops? Boys and masturbation can be a sloppy endeavor.
I remember a friend of mine telling me about one of his companions who would masturbate in the bathroom. Of course, he thought no one knew. But my friend would often find his mess on the bathroom floor. Just one of the complications of a careless masturbator.
I don't think you want to talk about my son that way.
I told my son to say "I keep the law of chastity" when asked more specific questions. I also told him he could tell the bishop that I said he can't answer that question. But, you know what, I don't have a problem teaching my child to protect themselves from inappropriate adults. I teach them not to tell people on the other end of the phone that they are home alone, too. I have also told them they can tell friends that I said they have to come home if they ever get uncomfortable or anything.
My children's safety is far more important to me than misleading an inappropriate adult.
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just me wrote: Then I told him that he only needs to say he keeps the LoC and that some people may tell him that masturbating isn't okay but they are wrong. I said that is nobody's business and he should just say "yes" to the LoC.
So you are encouraging your son to lie? Much better to take the 5th. If one has a son, one needs to talk about sperm drops on the bathroom floor. Young boys can miss those suckers. Would you like to clean your son's sperm drops? Boys and masturbation can be a sloppy endeavor.
I remember a friend of mine telling me about one of his companions who would masturbate in the bathroom. Of course, he thought no one knew. But my friend would often find his mess on the bathroom floor. Just one of the complications of a careless masturbator.
Just Me wrote:I don't think you want to talk about my son that way.
I told my son to say "I keep the law of chastity" when asked more specific questions. I also told him he could tell the bishop that I said he can't answer that question. But, you know what, I don't have a problem teaching my child to protect themselves from inappropriate adults. I teach them not to tell people on the other end of the phone that they are home alone, too. I have also told them they can tell friends that I said they have to come home if they ever get uncomfortable or anything.
My children's safety is far more important to me than misleading an inappropriate adult.
You are exactly right, Just Me. That's how I handled things with my kids, too.
Why Me, that was a completely inappropriate remark.
If we weren't trying to clean up our personal attacks, I would be calling you an asshole right now. However, since we are trying to change our culture, I'll refrain. ;-)
As a bishop I would just go over the law of chastity in general when I met with kids. If they brought things up specifically then we would chat about those things. If they brought up masturbation I let them know the Church discouraged it but also it was more of a minor thing in the Church's eyes unless it was habitual and accompanied with use of porn.
I tell my last child at home that it is really no big deal if unless it is habitual. I also told her she does not need to discuss things with the bishop that makes her uncomfortable and if she has problems she needs help with her mom and I can help her or she can talk to a YW leader as well if she would prefer.
I knew one bishop in my stake who said "I don't ask the boys if the masturbate. I ask them when the last time was that they did it." I found that boorish and over the top.
If we weren't trying to clean up our personal attacks, I would be calling you an asshole right now. However, since we are trying to change our culture, I'll refrain. ;-)
Yuk, yuk!!!!
Now Liz be good and don't try to get around the new and improved MDB! You are a mod you know!
liz3564 wrote: Why Me, that was a completely inappropriate remark.
If we weren't trying to clean up our personal attacks, I would be calling you an asshole right now. However, since we are trying to change our culture, I'll refrain. ;-)
I don't think that it was an inappropriate remark at all. It was a practical comment. Boys and masturbation can be a messy affair. And that was my point with the missionary example. Not fun to see spots on the floor for all concerned.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Jason Bourne wrote:As a bishop I would just go over the law of chastity in general when I met with kids. If they brought things up specifically then we would chat about those things. If they brought up masturbation I let them know the Church discouraged it but also it was more of a minor thing in the Church's eyes unless it was habitual and accompanied with use of porn.
What do you mean by habitual? Porn and masturbation mostly go hand in hand. It least most guys I know would watch porn while they masturbate. Is porn a bad thing? I really think this depends on the type of porn because not all of it is bad.
I never heard it being called a minor thing. Most the time I heard it is a major problem in the church with the young and single men.
Rambo wrote: I really think this depends on the type of porn because not all of it is bad.
If one is a teenager and types in porn into the google search, the hardcore stuff will come up. Porn is a bad thing because of what it does to the actors and actresses who do porn. Sure, it all looks like fun on the screen but in reality, the actors and actresses do some nasty things that take many cuts and takes. Porn is just an illusion.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
why me wrote: If one is a teenager and types in porn into the google search, the hardcore stuff will come up. Porn is a bad thing because of what it does to the actors and actresses who do porn. Sure, it all looks like fun on the screen but in reality, the actors and actresses do some nasty things that take many cuts and takes. Porn is just an illusion.
Cleaning up dog crap is pretty gross but someone chooses to do that job. If the actresses or actors don't like it then they can do something else.
I'm sure a lot are addicted to drugs and are trying to feed their drug addiction. However; there are many other people addicted to drugs and they have other jobs that feed their drug addiction as well.
The funny thing is once you are out of the church the porn use goes down. It does not have the "oh this is really bad" feeling about it anymore. Porn pretty much losses a lot of it's appeal when you don't think it is a sin anymore. For some odd reason it had more of an appeal when you think it is a sin.
Rambo wrote: The funny thing is once you are out of the church the porn use goes down. It does not have the "oh this is really bad" feeling about it anymore. Porn pretty much losses a lot of it's appeal when you don't think it is a sin anymore. For some odd reason it had more of an appeal when you think it is a sin.
Is this a joke? Porn is a billion dollar industry. You make it seem like the porn watchers are religious people who are sexually frustrated. Maybe so, but they make up a small minority. The two most addicted countries to porn are south korea an japan. No christianity there. Porn becomes addictive when it enters the blood stream. When it does, it is difficult to get it out of the blood.
But for the actors and actresses, it is a matter of work. And the porn industry wants the actors to do stranger things now. Many men use viagra because of what they have to do and actresses can at times be found in the bathroom puking from what they did on camera.
Appeal of sin? No. Once addicted always addicted.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith