Abstinence violation effect refers to the guilt and perceived loss of control that a person feels whenever he or she slips and finds himself or herself returning to drug use after an extended period of abstinence. Other definition: Abstinence violation effect refers to a person's sense of loss of control over his/her Behavior that has an overwhelming and demoralizing effect. Other /More definition: Abstinence violation effect refers to a feeling of loss of control that results when one has violated self-imposed rules, such as not to smoke or drink.
Abstinence violation effect is what happens when a person attempting to abstain from alcohol use ingests alcohol and then endures conflict and guilt by making an internal attribution to explain why he or she drank, thereby making him or her more likely to continue drinking in order to cope with the self-blame and guilt
Unfortunately, this has no logical relation to your primary point, which is that by defining sin away, addiction to something defined as sinful ceases. You clearly have utterly no understanding of what addiction is and how it functions within the individual.
Addiction is not a trick of semantics, but a stark and very real aspect of the human condition.
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us
- President Ezra Taft Benson
I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.
You're walking a very thin line here, Buffalo. Think carefully before you go any farther.
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us
- President Ezra Taft Benson
I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.
I've been reading near death experiences lately and I've yet to see anyone reporting intense guilt experienced over masturbating in their life review they report. Anyone seen any examples? I've heard a lot of talk about the tables are turned on all our human interactions, even some of our human animal interactions. The difference in quality of life from my point of view where masturbation is allowed and masturbation is not allowed seems enormous IMHO.
I don't see how anyone in the Mormon Church could manage to get away with not discussing masturbation as a youth. You might get away with it with one Jason Bourne-like bishop but the topic seems so pervasive coupled with the fact that as a child I wasn't very good at not talking about things. A 12 year old being able to cooly answer, "I'm not going to discuss that," with a bishop," seems like an extraordianry rather than ordinary 12 year old to me. When I was in the MTC it was a constant topic. I can't imagine it has changed much. For me, deciding that masturbation wasn't as wrong as the Church taught, would have to be a deal breaker. I can't see how I could still remain in the Church at that point. Granted the Church means the opinion of a particular bishop but still. Maybe I need to go back for a visit and get a leadership calling so I could find out. I couldn't believe things would have changed that much in around 10 years.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
Abstinence violation effect refers to the guilt and perceived loss of control that a person feels whenever he or she slips and finds himself or herself returning to drug use after an extended period of abstinence. Other definition: Abstinence violation effect refers to a person's sense of loss of control over his/her Behavior that has an overwhelming and demoralizing effect. Other /More definition: Abstinence violation effect refers to a feeling of loss of control that results when one has violated self-imposed rules, such as not to smoke or drink.
Abstinence violation effect is what happens when a person attempting to abstain from alcohol use ingests alcohol and then endures conflict and guilt by making an internal attribution to explain why he or she drank, thereby making him or her more likely to continue drinking in order to cope with the self-blame and guilt
Unfortunately, this has no logical relation to your primary point, which is that by defining sin away, addiction to something defined as sinful ceases. You clearly have utterly no understanding of what addiction is and how it functions within the individual.
Addiction is not a trick of semantics, but a stark and very real aspect of the human condition.
How can I take you seriously when you don't even bother to read what I post?
Black and white thinking and extreme demonization of porn makes members feel great shame and a sense of failure when they inevitably look at porn. That makes them vulnerable and depressed, making the temptation to use porn that much stronger. And around and around you go.
No wonder Utah is the porn capital of America.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
You're walking a very thin line here, Buffalo. Think carefully before you go any farther.
How could I go any further? That's as far as you yourself have revealed. If I'm mistaken about that, please correct me and I'm happy to retract.
If you ever lose your faith, you might be surprised to discover that the appeal of porn is lost with it. Forbidden fruit isn't half as enticing when the forbidden part is taken away.
Oh, and the word you're looking for is further, not farther.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Buffalo wrote: Porn is mostly addictive to people who view it as sinful. Of course, the church tends to classify any viewing of pornography as an "addiction."
You have no idea what you are talking about and obviously you have no experience with the porn industry. Porn is addictive because the producers of porn make it so. But to know this you would need to know just how a porn movie is made.
I remember many years ago, I used to hang out with a group of guys who were involved in the porn business, strippers and prostitutes in one way or another. I would have dinner with them. I remember talking with one guy who was a good acquaintence of mine. And he made it clear to me that once porn gets into the blood of the viewer it is pretty near impossible to get it out. Sometimes we would sit infront of the New York Hilton watching the hookers walk by and he would tell me about them. My friend knew the affects of porn very well. And trust me it had very little to do with sin and much to do with production.
But if you still want to play your tune about sin etc, fine.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Tator wrote:Why me is giving me that flu-ish feeling again.
Take two aspirin and eat a baked potato.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Buffalo wrote: Porn is mostly addictive to people who view it as sinful. Of course, the church tends to classify any viewing of pornography as an "addiction."
You have no idea what you are talking about and obviously you have no experience with the porn industry. Porn is addictive because the producers of porn make it so. But to know this you would need to know just how a porn movie is made.
I remember many years ago, I used to hang out with a group of guys who were involved in the porn business, strippers and prostitutes in one way or another. I would have dinner with them. I remember talking with one guy who was a good acquaintence of mine. And he made it clear to me that once porn gets into the blood of the viewer it is pretty near impossible to get it out. Sometimes we would sit infront of the New York Hilton watching the hookers walk by and he would tell me about them. My friend knew the affects of porn very well. And trust me it had very little to do with sin and much to do with production.
But if you still want to play your tune about sin etc, fine.
I'll admit that when I was a believer, porn was very tempting to me - and I'd only looked at it once or twice as an actual believer. I would have agreed with you then.
But guess what? After I lost my faith in god, I stopped caring about porn. It's not enticing to me anymore. So much for "addiction."
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Buffalo wrote: If you ever lose your faith, you might be surprised to discover that the appeal of porn is lost with it. Forbidden fruit isn't half as enticing when the forbidden part is taken away.
Oh, and the word you're looking for is further, not farther.
Again you haven't a clue what effects porn has. Sin? Please enough with this. Porn is addictive because the producers make it addictive. And they know how to do it. Forbidden fruit? Hardly. But enticing, yes.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith