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It's not like Rich is knocking on people's doors and telling them their religion is wrong and they need to switch if they want their family to be together forever.
Just click and his attack disappears.
Just click and his attack disappears.
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Simon Belmont wrote:Buffalo wrote:It'd be nice if religious folks would stop pretending that their brand of belief is deserving of special protection. You weren't born Mormon. Mormonism is something you choose to follow. Man up and be prepared to accept criticism, same as if you choose to align yourself with a political party.
It isn't deserving of special protection. Everyone has the right to worship who where and what they may in peace, without people like Rich attacking them.
Wrong. The choice to adhere to any particular ideology, religious or otherwise, inherently carries with it subjection to scrutiny by those who disagree. The degree to which you are offended by that only speaks to the size of your balls. Snow peas anyone?
"I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. ... Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I." - Joseph Smith, 1844
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Simon Belmont wrote:Everyone has the right to worship who where and what they may in peace, without people like Rich attacking them.
Let's contrast Simon's words with this comment:
9-2-09
"Rich's articles are such a wonderful read, he has done very thorough and impressive research on the LDS church, and its history. It is refreshing to read something that isn't just angry bitter words which is what most non-Mormon articles seem to be. His article's present the facts with sound logic behind his statements.
As an ex-Mormon, I find myself enjoying his writings, I think it is because his articles come off as a relaxed conversation instead of somebody ranting about the LDS church; it's a new perspective."
— Jodi, ex-Mormon
This comment, as well as all the other positive comments on my Mormon works can be read here: http://richkelsey.org/comments_on_an_in ... _story.htm
There are no negitive comments! Why? Because I do not attack people or care if or what they worship. If a person is happy being LDS that is good with me.
I wonder who is doing the actual attacking here. I would like to see some documentation (quotes) from my articles where I attack people.
If there are none, then Simon's words,
Simon Belmont wrote:Everyone has the right to worship who where and what they may in peace, without people like Rich attacking them.
are based upon deceit!
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Simon Belmont wrote:It isn't deserving of special protection. Everyone has the right to worship who where and what they may
True
Simon Belmont wrote: in peace, without people like Rich attacking them.
False. You're saying he shouldn't have free speech rights. The first amendment cuts both ways. And yes, you are saying it's deserving of special protection. Man up and be prepared to take criticism. If your position is strong there should be no problem with that.
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I have never in my life been stopped from worshipping in peace. I've never been to an LDS chapel where the worship service was interrupted by critics. I have never been kept from temple worship by those who do not believe in Mormonism.
Publishing different opinions and even protesting outside buildings isn't keeping someone from worshipping in peace.
Publishing different opinions and even protesting outside buildings isn't keeping someone from worshipping in peace.
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Rich, like everyone, has freedom of speech. I am not trying to say that free speech should be silenced. But, there is a difference between freedom of speech and freedom to do the right thing.
Is attacking someone else's faith the right thing to do?
It doesn't matter how may anti-Mormons, ex-Mormons, LDS Critics, etc. like your articles, Rich. That's like me asking staunch anti-Americans what their opinion on anti-American articles are. What do you think they'll say?
So why haven't you addressed what I've said?
You find a supposed problem with Jehova's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, and Mormons.
SO WHAT? Why is it up to you to be their judge, jury, and executioner?
Listen, please tell me why you can't leave other people alone and focus on your own particular brand of Christianity?
Is attacking someone else's faith the right thing to do?
Rich Kelsey wrote:Let's contrast Simon's words with this comment:
It doesn't matter how may anti-Mormons, ex-Mormons, LDS Critics, etc. like your articles, Rich. That's like me asking staunch anti-Americans what their opinion on anti-American articles are. What do you think they'll say?
So why haven't you addressed what I've said?
You find a supposed problem with Jehova's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, and Mormons.
SO WHAT? Why is it up to you to be their judge, jury, and executioner?
Listen, please tell me why you can't leave other people alone and focus on your own particular brand of Christianity?
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Simon, he can't "leave those people alone" because he believes that his website is truly doing a good work.
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bumnuts wrote: "Is attacking someone else's faith the right thing to do?"
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Why not ask tubbietommy? Maybe he will take it to TheLard and get a revelation. Ya know, like how many earrings a girl can wear before being branded a whore, or something like that? Maybe he can give a definitive prophetic pronouncement that the next guy or two in line can deny.
Let the guy post what he wants. It is his site. That simone doesn't like it probably means it is worth looking at.
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Why not ask tubbietommy? Maybe he will take it to TheLard and get a revelation. Ya know, like how many earrings a girl can wear before being branded a whore, or something like that? Maybe he can give a definitive prophetic pronouncement that the next guy or two in line can deny.
Let the guy post what he wants. It is his site. That simone doesn't like it probably means it is worth looking at.
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Bow your head and mutter, what in hell am I doing here?
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Bow your head and mutter, what in hell am I doing here?
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Simon Belmont wrote: You find a supposed problem with Jehova's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, and Mormons.
SO WHAT? Why is it up to you to be their judge, jury, and executioner?
Simon has yet to provide one quote from any of my written works for the board to consider; also, he continues to make baseless and misleading accusations. Plus, he is asking me leading questions, in which the very content of the question is untrue. In a courtroom none of this would be allowed to stand. It would all be stricken from the record; and, the jury would be advised not to consider it during deliberation.
Here is an actual example from one of my Mormon works:
Joseph Smith on Trial wrote:In this work the reader is given a unique opportunity to consider evidence and reach a verdict in a crucial case. This simulated trial may be more important than many trials taking place today. Because, in this forum, evidence is laid out in front of a world-wide audience. This far-reaching exposure could bring about greater justice than a conventional trial. Please follow me into the courtroom and take a seat in the jury box. The trial is about to begin.
(Jurors brought into courtroom)
Clerk to jurors:
Do you solemnly swear that you will carefully hear this case and come to a verdict based upon the evidence presented?
Your response:
Yes? or No?
Standard Exhortation:
Members of the jury are asked to proceed with caution. The defense may try to send you looking in a thousand different directions. It is your responsibility to keep focused, looking straight ahead, especially when the truth is right in front of you. If there appear to be too many shadows and not enough substance in one testimony, then disregard it and move on. The virtues of a good juror are to keep an open mind and to carefully weigh the evidence.
Let us proceed:
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Deliberation:
When a jury hears a matter, they are supposed to carefully weigh the evidence presented to determine if the charges leveled at the suspect will withstand reasonable doubt.
Jury Instructions:
Court:
Jurors, you are the sole judge of whether any given testimony should be believed or not believed. While deliberating, please consider:
# 1. Was the witness's testimony consistent?
# 2. Was the witness's testimony supported by, or contradicted by other evidence?
# 3. Has the prosecution proved this case beyond a reasonable doubt?
Now it is time to come up with a verdict. If you determine that Joseph Smith is guilty of being an imposter, with the offence of creating forgeries with the intent to deceive people, then please move on to the sentencing phase.
(Joseph Smith on Trial p.2 and 26 - http://richkelsey.org/an_incredible_story_part_iii.htm)
Does it look like I am guilty of what Simon has accused me of?
Simon Belmont wrote: You find a supposed problem with Jehova's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, and Mormons.
SO WHAT? Why is it up to you to be their judge, jury, and executioner?
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If you haven’t read my articles on Mormonism please go to the site and read them.
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Simon Belmont wrote:Rich, like everyone, has freedom of speech. I am not trying to say that free speech should be silenced. But, there is a difference between freedom of speech and freedom to do the right thing.
Is attacking someone else's faith the right thing to do?
It doesn't matter how may anti-Mormons, ex-Mormons, LDS Critics, etc. like your articles, Rich. That's like me asking staunch anti-Americans what their opinion on anti-American articles are. What do you think they'll say?
So why haven't you addressed what I've said?
You find a supposed problem with Jehova's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, and Mormons.
SO WHAT? Why is it up to you to be their judge, jury, and executioner?
Listen, please tell me why you can't leave other people alone and focus on your own particular brand of Christianity?
Why don't you ask the head honchos in the COB to stop sending people to try to destroy the faith of thousands of people of other faiths a year?
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
B.R. McConkie, © Intellectual Reserve wrote:There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilish.