harmony wrote: No irony at all. Most here know my feelings about the lying adulterer... I mean prophet Joseph Smith.
Don't forget to mention this to the stake president when you have to renew the temple recommend. It is unfortunate that you can not see a different take on it and the strong witness confirmations that many of these women received about the truthfulness of plural marriage. But that is okay. You insult the women who were sealed to him by claiming what you do.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
harmony wrote: No irony at all. Most here know my feelings about the lying adulterer... I mean prophet Joseph Smith.
Don't forget to mention this to the stake president when you have to renew the temple recommend. It is unfortunate that you can not see a different take on it and the strong witness confirmations that many of these women received about the truthfulness of plural marriage. But that is okay. You insult the women who were sealed to him by claiming what you do.
Have you discussed the "Mormon Lay" with your bishop? Have you told your friends on MD&D about it? Have you discussed the "Mormon Lay" with your supposed nun friends?
Scottie wrote:Telling a few lies and being known as a liar are two COMPLETELY different things.
Yes, Joseph Smith was a liar. He didn't just tell a few innocent lies.
But then we'd be getting to a matter of subjective opinion, it seems to me. How many lies qualify one to be known as a liar? Is subject matter for which one lies a consideration as to defining one as a liar?
As I said, calling someone a liar is pretty meaningless.
Defending Mormons only operate under "subjective" reasoning/opinion.
Duh?
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café crema wrote:Have you discussed the "Mormon Lay" with your bishop? Have you told your friends on MD&D about it? Have you discussed the "Mormon Lay" with your supposed nun friends?
The catholic church has nothing against a Mormon lay.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
harmony wrote: No irony at all. Most here know my feelings about the lying adulterer... I mean prophet Joseph Smith.
Don't forget to mention this to the stake president when you have to renew the temple recommend. It is unfortunate that you can not see a different take on it and the strong witness confirmations that many of these women received about the truthfulness of plural marriage. But that is okay. You insult the women who were sealed to him by claiming what you do.
I am not required to have a testimony of plural marriage, why me. I'm required to have a testimony of the restoration. And thus my SP knows what I think of the post 1831 Joseph.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
café crema wrote:Have you discussed the "Mormon Lay" with your bishop? Have you told your friends on MD&D about it? Have you discussed the "Mormon Lay" with your supposed nun friends?
The catholic church has nothing against a Mormon lay.
Yes they do, ask your supposed nun friends. And what about MD&D have you started a thread over there about the Mormon Lay?
harmony wrote:No irony at all. Most here know my feelings about the lying adulterer... I mean prophet Joseph Smith.
"Liar" may be too small a word to define Joseph Smith (only four letters).
How about "sociopath"?
Here's a definition that fits Joseph Smith surprisingly well, I think. If sociopath's were to have a poster, Joseph Smith would have a good shot at being on it.
thews wrote: Quite ironical that you would point this out. One of the very Gods who Joseph Smith supposedly spoke to, takes a backseat to a mortal's narcissistic boasting.
We have no idea if that quote was accurate since it is a second hand account. However, here is a good take on it:
http://www.lightplanet.com/response/answers/greater.htm The detractors are referring to a statement Joseph Smith delivered in Nauvoo, Illinois, in May, 1844, shortly before his death. It is true that he was boasting, having patterned his address after a talk by Paul recorded in 2 Corinthians chapter 11. In that sermon, Paul the Apostle was doing some boasting of his own to the Gentiles. Joseph Smith picked up on Paul's theme when he said,
I have more to boast of than any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such work as I (History of the Church, Vol.6, pp. 408-09).
While we aren't sure this is a completely accurate quote, let us assume that it is. Detractors read into this statement that the Prophet was saying he did a greater work than Jesus Christ. Considering the entire text and the circumstance of the time, he seems to be saying only that he was able to keep the Church together better than others did, including Jesus Christ. Surely Joseph Smith would be the first to agree that keeping a church together is not a greater or a more significant work than what was done by Jesus.
There is nothing as significant as being the God of Israel, taking upon oneself the sins of the world, dying for all mankind that they might live, nor being resurrected. Surely, everlasting life is the greatest gift anyone could give.
Nevertheless, the Lord himself said, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father" (John 14:12). To what greater work could the Savior be referring? Perhaps the Lord means a larger work, but certainly not more significant. For example, John the Baptist presumably baptized more people than Jesus, Paul may have converted more as a missionary, Moses led more Israelites out of bondage, Noah built a bigger ship, and Joseph Smith kept the Church together longer.
The point should be clear: if greater means quantity, there are many who fulfilled the Savior's promise that his followers would do "greater works," and this includes Joseph Smith.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
why me wrote: It is unfortunate that you can not see a different take on it and the strong witness confirmations that many of these women received about the truthfulness of plural marriage. But that is okay. You insult the women who were sealed to him by claiming what you do.
It's also unfortunate that you wont see a different take on it to all the women who say the same things with their men. This is what we call being hypocritical, but I can also understand that believers tend to give to much wieght to witnesses that support their beliefs and essentially none to those who do not.