Runtu wrote:The nice thing about dating techniques is that they overlap, and thus, with multiple types of tests, you can get a very accurate date. This notion that it's unreliable is just one of those creationist memes.
Sounds a little like spiritual experience.
Love ya tons, Stem
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Buffalo wrote:Carbon dating is a bad example. While there is a margin of error, it IS a reliable method of dating things. There are many, many things we can verify and be sure of. What is it you had in mind?
Off hand I can't think of anything less reliable than the Spirit, short of Tarot Cards and such. Can you?
We can't go back in time to verify we got the dating right. That is the purpose of my example.
We don't need to - well-understood mathematical and chemical principles as well as multiple, independent dating methods verify the results.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Runtu wrote:The nice thing about dating techniques is that they overlap, and thus, with multiple types of tests, you can get a very accurate date. This notion that it's unreliable is just one of those creationist memes.
Sounds a little like spiritual experience.
Spiritual experiences don't overlap. They're all over the map.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Buffalo wrote:We don't need to - well-understood mathematical and chemical principles as well as multiple, independent dating methods verify the results.
iin like manner why can't any particular spiritual experience I have be verified by scripture study, meditation, prayer, fasting and other spiritual experiences? Indeed, they can be verified as such for me. Just not for you.
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
Buffalo wrote:We don't need to - well-understood mathematical and chemical principles as well as multiple, independent dating methods verify the results.
iin like manner why can't any particular spiritual experience I have be verified by scripture study, meditation, prayer, fasting and other spiritual experiences? Indeed, they can be verified as such for me. Just not for you.
Carbon dating comes out the same for everyone, every time.
Buffalo wrote:Spiritual experiences don't overlap. They're all over the map.
Spiritual life is a personal journey left to individuals to verify for him/herself. My spiritual experiences overlap. I can't show them to others because they can't be shown by nature. I can't see others for the same reason. I'm conducting my own life long study on it. And as such we all come to different conclusions, well not all of course. This just shows that there are plenty of varied conclusions drawn from spiritual experience not that spiritual experience is non-existent.
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
stemelbow wrote:Sounds a little like spiritual experience.
Except that we know where exactly the dating techniques overlap and what degree of accuracy we can count on. Not like spiritual experience at all, really.
Morley wrote:Carbon dating comes out the same for everyone, every time.
So is the issue you're raising havin gto do with the tools of spiritual experience since their are varied conclusions as a result of spirit experience?
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
Buffalo wrote:We don't need to - well-understood mathematical and chemical principles as well as multiple, independent dating methods verify the results.
iin like manner why can't any particular spiritual experience I have be verified by scripture study, meditation, prayer, fasting and other spiritual experiences? Indeed, they can be verified as such for me. Just not for you.
Because it's subjective and circular. Not empirical, like carbon dating.
How do you know the scriptures are true? Because the spirit tells you so. How do you know the spirit is telling you that? Because the book says it is. How do you know the book is right about that method? Because the spirit tells you so. Etc.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Runtu wrote:Except that we know where exactly the dating techniques overlap and what degree of accuracy we can count on. Not like spiritual experience at all, really.
Speak for yourself, no offense. I'm just saying, the exact opposite is true for me than for you apparently.
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.