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Hoops wrote:I'm making my comments from the context of a marriage.

Who says it can't be all of those things at once? Or singularly? I think it is. And when it is any one of these, or any combination of them, they are perfectly in line with how the experience is designed.


I think that's the problem. There's a major subtext in Mormonism about appropriate sexual expression in the bedroom. We've been told that we aren't to "talk dirty" to our spouses in bed; we aren't to engage in unholy and impure practices, such as oral sex; if a spouse is uncomfortable with any aspect of our sex life, we should stop doing it, without discussion or compromise.

That's where the hangups come from. Most people recognize that sexuality is like any other part of a relationship. No two people come at it with exactly the same attitudes and experiences, so it is part of building a relationship to talk about it, compromise, do things for each other. In much of Mormon culture, it's kind of taboo to explore, let alone communicate, our desires to each other.
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zeezrom wrote:Buff,

Have you ever considered praying to a God that might not be creepy as a companion in such situations?

Just curious.

Zee.

Imagine arms on her in your prayer:
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I would miss her arms lovingly wrapping around my neck. Goddesses should have arms.
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Runtu wrote:From my experience, a significant number of people in the church believe that sex should be some sort of spiritual experience, like a sacrament in the broader sense of that word. It can be, but I'm glad it can also be fun, playful, erotic, and even dirty sometimes.


And solemn and dramatic and kinky and violent and silly and dozens more things.

All should be tried.

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The Nehor wrote:It's amazing how ex-Mormons always knew the weirdest church members.


I heard it suggested in lessons when I was in single's ward that you should pray before sex to invite the spirit. This isn't all that uncommon of an idea.
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Runtu wrote:I'm reminded of two separate statements I heard from relatives:

"My son asked me if, in 35 years of marriage, I ever saw my wife without her garments on. The answer is no."

"I'm so glad we have garments. Think of all the money I have saved not having to buy lingerie."


That's just sad. :(
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zeezrom wrote:Buff,

Have you ever considered praying to a God that might not be creepy as a companion in such situations?

Just curious.

Zee.

Imagine arms on her in your prayer:
Image


Ah, well that's a whole lot better than inviting this guy into the room:

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Buffalo wrote:Ah, well that's a whole lot better than inviting this guy into the room:
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Indeed.

It is different for everyone, I guess. Some people might actually like to have that guy with them. I, personally, would have a problem with it. However, I don't see a problem with the two of us both praying for the companionship of different gods. my wife can have the buff, hardened Zeus, and I can have the gentle Aphrodite. I will have to ask my wife if she would feel comfortable (not creeped out) by the presence of this guy:

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Buffalo wrote:the idea of "inviting the Lord into your bedroom."

Or even worse, starting sex with an opening prayer. And yet, there are members who do that.

How would you even sustain an interest in going through with it after an opening prayer? Seriously.

You know married LDS people who start their marital relations with prayer? Or you LDS married people who have regular couple prayers every night, whether or not they then have marital relations?

It's always how the thing gets framed, and you are known for framing things to make LDS look as foolish as possible.
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Nomad wrote:You know married LDS people who start their marital relations with prayer? Or you LDS married people who have regular couple prayers every night, whether or not they then have marital relations?

It's always how the thing gets framed, and you are known for framing things to make LDS look as foolish as possible.

Wait. I don't see Buff making the people look foolish. I see it as a point that maybe people are simply utilizing their God incorrectly. We can all benefit by striving to see our beliefs from different angles. There is nothing wrong or foolish about using God in a way that is not effective. All this means is that we should take the opportunity to mix it up a little.

There is room for improvement. I think that is Buff's message here. Willingness to change can be good, Nomad.
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Nomad wrote:
Buffalo wrote:the idea of "inviting the Lord into your bedroom."

Or even worse, starting sex with an opening prayer. And yet, there are members who do that.

How would you even sustain an interest in going through with it after an opening prayer? Seriously.

You know married LDS people who start their marital relations with prayer? Or you LDS married people who have regular couple prayers every night, whether or not they then have marital relations?

It's always how the thing gets framed, and you are known for framing things to make LDS look as foolish as possible.


First of all, I agree that your scenario, Nomad, makes the most sense.

That being said, I think I understand where Buffalo is coming from with his OP. I'm not sure how old you are, Nomad. I'm 47, and during the 80's, my prime teen-aged years, it seemed like every other activity involved some sort of "Standards Night". All they talked about in YM/YW was to be careful on dates....don't french kiss....the "licked cupcake" lesson was alive and well...etc. During that era, I distinctly remember several lessons where we were specifically told that newly married couples should not have relations until they had started their evening with prayer....that sex was a pure act of love, and that God had a hand in every loving act, especially since that union could bring about spirit children.

I honestly thought this had quite a bit of the "creep factor" then...I even thought that maybe it was just a local thing, but I find it interesting that other folks have heard about it.

Now, granted....this is NOT something that was EVER published BY THE CHURCH officially. If I can recall correctly, it seems like there were a couple of LDS psychologists at the time who had written quite a few successful self-help books involving sex for young couples that were actually published through Deseret Book. That could have very easily been the resource for some of this.
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