I listed some of them already; here are a few more:
Convulsions Loss of all fine motor control (had to throw myself in chair to avoid injury) Voices Threats to my life and soul Ugly gritty feeling akin to depression (no light in the world) Dark thoughts akin to the "I am Legion" school of thought Despair A wish to die not coupled with any thoughts of suicide Irrational fear of being found out by anyone or anything good; a kind of strange paranoia Desire to hide my possessions for fear of theft (found this one very odd at time; think I get it now) Malice towards everyone
Feel free to explain away but don't expect my hopes to be dashed by you still not believing my explanation.
Everything here just screams neurochemical origin.
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The Nehor wrote:I listed some of them already; here are a few more:
Convulsions Loss of all fine motor control (had to throw myself in chair to avoid injury) Voices Threats to my life and soul Ugly gritty feeling akin to depression (no light in the world) Dark thoughts akin to the "I am Legion" school of thought Despair A wish to die not coupled with any thoughts of suicide Irrational fear of being found out by anyone or anything good; a kind of strange paranoia Desire to hide my possessions for fear of theft (found this one very odd at time; think I get it now) Malice towards everyone
Feel free to explain away but don't expect my hopes to be dashed by you still not believing my explanation.
If not for the first two items, this would be classic psychosis or depression with psychotic features. Complex-partial seizures can cause the suite of symptoms you describe or be co-morbid with the former. So can some more uncommon phenomena, including psychogenic episodes.* But rather than getting a neuropsych eval, you went with demons. Good call.
At least you didn't have a brain tumor you ignored.
Edit: *Since what you are describing was a one-time thing if I read you correctly, that's my first thought.
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I can only imagine having a client come to me with these symptoms, which aren't all that uncommon unto themselves, and think, "you know, this person needs an exorcism." Good God.
MrStakhanovite wrote:Thanks for sharing Nehor, despite the anticipated responses.
The basic ritual if we want to call it that in the LDS church would be to give the person a blessing(laying on hands) and cast the evil spirit/s out with the priesthood and in the name of Jesus. If it is thought to be an evil spirit/s inhabiting an area then again it would be using the priesthood with usually the arm to the square and casting them out. Nehor stating he does not know of any methods and ritual is expected since it is not something discussed much in LDS settings and the ritual is fairly basic and even ambiguous.
I listed some of them already; here are a few more:
Convulsions Loss of all fine motor control (had to throw myself in chair to avoid injury) Voices Threats to my life and soul Ugly gritty feeling akin to depression (no light in the world) Dark thoughts akin to the "I am Legion" school of thought Despair A wish to die not coupled with any thoughts of suicide Irrational fear of being found out by anyone or anything good; a kind of strange paranoia Desire to hide my possessions for fear of theft (found this one very odd at time; think I get it now) Malice towards everyone
Feel free to explain away but don't expect my hopes to be dashed by you still not believing my explanation.
Everything here just screams neurochemical origin.
Yes, but four missionaries having similar neurochemical experiences (two of them alone) nearly simultaneously in the same house?
I find an external cause more plausible.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
The Nehor wrote:I listed some of them already; here are a few more:
Convulsions Loss of all fine motor control (had to throw myself in chair to avoid injury) Voices Threats to my life and soul Ugly gritty feeling akin to depression (no light in the world) Dark thoughts akin to the "I am Legion" school of thought Despair A wish to die not coupled with any thoughts of suicide Irrational fear of being found out by anyone or anything good; a kind of strange paranoia Desire to hide my possessions for fear of theft (found this one very odd at time; think I get it now) Malice towards everyone
Feel free to explain away but don't expect my hopes to be dashed by you still not believing my explanation.
If not for the first two items, this would be classic psychosis or depression with psychotic features.
Yes, but usually those states aren't there for a few minutes and then gone.
Complex-partial seizures can cause the suite of symptoms you describe or be co-morbid with the former. So can some more uncommon phenomena, including psychogenic episodes.* But rather than getting a neuropsych eval, you went with demons. Good call.
I agree, after all, we are talking about British NHS in the late 90's. A neuropsych eval might have involved a lobotomy.
Edit: *Since what you are describing was a one-time thing if I read you correctly, that's my first thought.
I was one-time. As far as I know the other three didn't experience the symptoms again either.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
EAllusion wrote:I can only imagine having a client come to me with these symptoms, which aren't all that uncommon unto themselves, and think, "you know, this person needs an exorcism." Good God.
I wouldn't either if I were you unless I could feel that nasty gritty evil feeling I only get when around the possessed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp_l5ntikaU
Those monks in the beginning....my Halloween costume last year. Went with foam board to prevent concussion.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
The Nehor wrote:Yes, but usually those states aren't there for a few minutes and then gone.
No, that happens with complex-partial seizures believe it or not. Sometimes it is an environmental stimulus that triggers 'em. The brain is a funny thing. I'm not diagnosing you over the internet though.
I agree, after all, we are talking about British NHS in the late 90's. A neuropsych eval might have involved a lobotomy.
That or you would be asked to draw hands on a clock. You know, one of the two.
Mutual psychogenic episodes are known to occur, by the way. But, if you are describing three separate, but temporally linked events that weren't a matter of false-memory via mutual suggestion, then that's as unlikely as anything. You sure it wasn't a witch instead of demons? Or a ghost? Or aliens? Or Hermes?
The Nehor wrote:I wouldn't either if I were you unless I could feel that nasty gritty evil feeling I only get when around the possessed.
So how do you explain Just me's success in demon repulsion, since she doesn't hold the priesthood?
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.