You're right, Ludwig. ... So I hope you will take comfort in the fact that I will be delighted to stop reminding her of it, just as soon as she admits that it was nothing but an expression of her own character. Regards, Pahoran
"Repeating the structure" YOU are who is repeating Your stupidity. Sorry for the word if You are attacked by it. The moderators may move this line into telestial.
"You're right, Ludwig" I know I am right. And You are wrong in this case, and there are many other. Sometimes - not too many times - You may be right. And You may perform Your - right or wrong - thoughts HERE, because HERE are open books. (and open threads... and open topics... should I name another place where these things are closed?) I don't want to forget open thoughts...
"I will be delighted to stop reminding her" Then please do it. Stop Your ramblings. The method is simple.
with same regards . . . Ludwig
regard Home > Library > Literature & Language > Dictionary (rĭ-gärd') v., -gard·ed, -gard·ing, -gards. v.tr. 3. To hold in esteem or respect
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
harmony wrote:Any business. I fail to see how building up a huge portfolio of businesses and investments follows the church's stated mandate and mission. Creating an investment portfoilo, especially a portfolio without any of the checks and balances that a true annual financial report would have... gives the impression that... hmmmm... we aren't in the business of savings mankind or helping the poor... the LDS church is in the business of making money (or losing it, in the case of the mall).
Actually I heard president eyring give a talk and he spoke about the latest economic crisis. He said that president monson instructed the financial services department of the church to get out of the market and put the church's money in more safe investments. This was before the economic downturn when investment firms thought that it was crazy to do so. And sure enough just as the money was transfered the market fell. The impact was so great that one japanese investment firm that the church does business with sent a representive to salt lake to discuss just how the LDS church knew when to do this transaction. The answer: the LDS church has a prophet to lead it.
The LDS church does not broadcast over loud speakers when they are helping the poor. But the LDS church helps the poor a great deal. Much more than would be expected from a church with just a few million members.
This wouldn't be Why Me writing faith promotion fiction would it...? A reference...? A link...? A date, time and place...?
Bump for CFR because Why Me failed to respond to harmony's CFR
'Church pictures are not always accurate' (The Nehor May 4th 2011)
Morality is doing what is right, regardless of what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, regardless of what is right.
thews wrote:You mean you don't believe in racism now, after God supposedly changed his mind in 1978?
"Supposedly" according to whom? Not according to us.
And you are clearly -- and intentionally -- shifting the goal posts. "Blacks being evil in the pre-existence" has never been taught by the Church.
This is an outright lie.
Pahoran wrote:
thews wrote:The doctrine changed the "white and delightsome" part in 1981, but to ignore what remains is rooted in ignorance of the truth... something you know a lot about. When you state "we" in the above to speak for all Mormons, did you actually mean "I" instead?
Even if Simon speaks for only one Mormon, that's still one more than you do.
Snip boilerplate anti-Mormon propagada.
Note how the truth is snipped and ignorance is injected in its place.
Pahoran wrote:
thews wrote:White and Delightsome or Pure and Delightsome? - A Look at 2 Nephi 30:6
By Bill McKeever and Eric Johnson
Wow. I couldn't be more impressed if it had been written by Ed Decker.
Snip more boilerplate anti-Mormon propagada.
Once again, the data is snipped and replaced with opinion based on nothing.
Pahoran wrote:
thews wrote:Chronology of 2 Nephi 30:6
"... many generations shall not pass away among them, save they shall be a WHITE and a delightsome people." (1830 Edition, p. 117)
"... PURE and delightsome people." (1840 edition)
"...WHITE and delightsome people." (All later translations until 1981)
"... PURE and delightsome people." (1981 translations , II Nephi 30:6)
Which, despite your hate-based spin, clearly disproves the standard anti-Mormon lie that the change was made in 1981 to somehow "cover up" after the 1978 revelation, which actually affected a completely different group of people.
Regards, Pahoran
As you plead ignorance to the truth, history is something you cannot change. Care to acknowledge the truth based on fact?
President Spencer W. Kimball described the process through which the church decided to bestow all church privileges upon African-Americans: "It went on for some time as I was searching for this, because I wanted to be sure. We held a meeting of the Council of the Twelve in the temple on the regular day. We considered this very seriously and thoughtfully and prayerfully.
"I asked the Twelve not to go home when the time came. I said, 'now would you be willing to remain in the temple with us?' And they were. I offered the final prayer and I told the Lord if it wasn't right, if He didn't want this change to come in the Church that I would he true to it all the rest of my life, and I'd fight the world against it if that's what He wanted.
"We had this special prayer circle, then I knew that the time had come. I had a great deal to fight, of course, myself largely, because I had grown up with this thought that Negroes should not have the priesthood and I was prepared to go all the rest of my life till my death and fight for it and defend it as it was. But this revelation and assurance came to me so clearly that there was no question about it." (President Spencer W. Kimball, Deseret News, Church Section, January 6, 1979, p. 19)
Some members question whether the ban was actual doctrine or just Church policy. The First Presidency issued the following official statements signed by all three members. (emphasis added):
1947 the First Presidency (supreme council) of the Church issued an Official Statement:
"From the days of the Prophet Joseph Smith even until now, it has been the doctrine of the Church, never questioned by Church leaders, that the Negroes are not entitled to the full blessings of the Gospel." (Statement of The First Presidency on the Negro Question, July 17 1947, quoted in Mormonism and the Negro, pp.46-7)
In 1949, The First Presidency issued the following statement:
"The attitude of the Church with reference to Negroes remains as it has always stood. It is not a matter of the declaration of a policy but of direct commandment from the Lord, on which is founded the doctrine of the Church from the days of its organization, to the effect that Negroes may become members of the Church but that they are not entitled to the priesthood at the present time." (The First Presidency on the Negro Question, 17 Aug. 1949)
Official Statement of First Presidency issued on August 17, 1951, reads:
"The position of the Church regarding the Negro may be understood when another doctrine of the church is kept in mind, namely, that the conduct of spirits in the pre-mortal existence has some determining effect upon the conditions and circumstances under which these spirits take on mortality, and that while the details of this principle have not been made known, the principle itself indicates that the coming to this earth and taking on mortality is a privilege that is given to those who maintained their first estate; and that the worth of the privilege is so great that spirits are willing to come to earth and take on bodies no matter what the handicap may be as to the kind of bodies they are to secure; and that among the handicaps, failure of the right to enjoy in mortality the blessings of the priesthood is a handicap which spirits are willing to assume in order that they might come to earth. Under this principle there is no injustice whatsoever involved in this deprivation as to the holding of the priesthood by the Negroes.....
And finally Pahoran, do you acknowledge the change from "White and delightsome" to "Pure and delightsome"?
2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. 2 Tim 4:4 They will turn their ears away from the truth & turn aside to myths
harmony wrote:But Cain's sin wasn't sex; Cain's sin was murder.
Hello Ms. Harmony,
Uh. What?
Sin.
Siiiiiiiiiiin.
There you go.
by the way, I really, really would love to have your daughter's phone #. She would love love love talking to your's truly. Just sayin'. I'm a smoothie.
V/R Dr. Cam
My daughter's happily married with 2 kids now, Cam.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind....Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings. This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 290).
"In our first settlement in Missouri, it was said by our enemies that we intended to tamper with the slaves, not that we had any idea of the kind, for such a thing never entered our minds. We knew that the children of Ham were to be the "servant of servants," and no power under heaven could hinder it, so long as the Lord would permit them to welter under the curse and those were known to be our religious views concerning them." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 172).
"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 10, p. 110).
My apologies for having confused Brigham Young's quote with something else:
"And when Phinehas...saw it, he rose and left the congregation, and took a spear in his hand; And he went after the man of Israel into the tent, and thrust both of them through, the man of Israel, and the woman through her body."
"And the LORD said to Moses, 'Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, hath turned my wrath away from the children of Israel in that he was zealous for my sake among them, so I did not consume the people of Israel in my jealousy."
I had thought Brigham Young said something to the effect.
V/R Dr. Cameron
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 10, p. 110).
I wonder if Brandon Davies girlfriend(s) has heard of this?
ludwigm wrote:"Repeating the structure" YOU are who is repeating Your stupidity. Sorry for the word if You are attacked by it. The moderators may move this line into telestial.
"You're right, Ludwig" I know I am right. And You are wrong in this case, and there are many other.
In your opinion. Such as it is.
Here is the bottom line, Ludwig: Harmony/Serenity/WAZing invented the foul, disgusting expression "tithing trough." She invented it in order to malign and libel those who serve the Lord full-time in His Church. It reflects no reality except what is in her foul little mind.
Thus, she is "Tithing Trough" Harmony, and remains such until she resiles from her libel.
You might want to avoid trying to lecture me about the use of the English language any more. To be sure, it is entertaining; but I'm afraid the entertainment is entirely at your expense.
"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 10, p. 110).
I wonder if Brandon Davies girlfriend(s) has heard of this?