LDS Demonology?

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I understand over time people have used various objects, spells and potions to help rid themselves of demons. A friend of mine has used a variety of psychotropic medications for his demons. To date, Clozaril has been most effective.

Hope this helps if any of you find yourselves victimized by demons.
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just me wrote:
EAllusion wrote:Oooh, thanks for the fancy name.

Sleep paralysis is a subset in the broader range of things that can occur with hynagogia. It often occurs in tandem with intense emotions like fear, paranoia, despair, etc. Some other people get orgasmic. I swear to God, if I ever find myself in a situation where I awake paralyzed with a witch hovering over my bed, please, please let it be orgasmic and not terrifying.
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EAllusion wrote:Sleep paralysis is a subset in the broader range of things that can occur with hynagogia. It often occurs in tandem with intense emotions like fear, paranoia, despair, etc. Some other people get orgasmic. I swear to God, if I ever find myself in a situation where I awake paralyzed with a witch hovering over my bed, please, please let it be orgasmic and not terrifying.


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Re: LDS Demonology?

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LDSToronto wrote:Of the people I've met that have experienced demons (and I don't claim this is a general pattern, just 3-4 data points), there seem to be common traits:

1. Each are utterly faithful members of the LDS Church, and have never waivered in their faith
2. Each are uneducated (formally) beyond high school
3. Each have studied the gospel extensively, and have large libraries that include books from pre-correlated prophets, GA's, and experts (such as Lund & Nibley)


I know you aren't being exact but I fail numbers 1 & 2 and only questionably meet 3.
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A question for The Nehor and stemelbow and any other Latter-Day Saint who believes in demons:

For my increased understanding, how do understand demons fitting within the framework of the Plan of Salvation, Satan, the rebellion in heaven, and, most importantly, individual free agency?
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beefcalf wrote:A question for The Nehor and stemelbow and any other Latter-Day Saint who believes in demons:

For my increased understanding, how do understand demons fitting within the framework of the Plan of Salvation,


They serve the role of providing an opposite to choose with temptation. We are capable of falling on our own without them of course but they counterbalance the light of Christ and the Holy Ghost to give us equal pressure from both sides.

Satan,


He is one of them. I have no idea if or how he still rules them.

the rebellion in heaven,


They wanted their own agency destroyed. They are damned for it.

and, most importantly, individual free agency?


They still have it but have crushed the impulses for good they had. In essence they are the opposite of God. God can choose evil but will not. Devils can choose good but will not.
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beefcalf wrote:ludwig...
aren't those daemons?

You, stupid english speakers may call/name them as You want. In US-english or GB-english or aussie-english or kiwi or whatever.

The correct spelling - in our martian language - is DÉMON. If You can not pronounce it... OK, every people may have their own social problems.
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In "The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark" (1995), Professor Carl Sagan talks about the history of belief in demons, much of it sanctioned by the Church (and supported by religionists in general). He points out that this belief lead to centuries-long persecution of so-called witches.

Do the faithful here who believe in demons also believe that there are witches about?

If not, why not?
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The Nehor wrote:
beefcalf wrote:A question for The Nehor and stemelbow and any other Latter-Day Saint who believes in demons:

For my increased understanding, how do understand demons fitting within the framework of the Plan of Salvation,


They serve the role of providing an opposite to choose with temptation. We are capable of falling on our own without them of course but they counterbalance the light of Christ and the Holy Ghost to give us equal pressure from both sides.



Yup. That is just what a good parent would fix up for his kids. For instance, I tell my kids to lay off drugs, and emphasize the harm they can do - but in order to counterbalance my advice I make sure that they get to meet the local pusher, and arrange for them to hang out regularly with kids who are users.

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