LDSToronto wrote:This pisses me off. Whatever happened to marrying a person, loving a person? I told my wife, when I started having doubts, that I married *her*, not a religion, not an ordinance, I married *her* because I loved *her*, not because I loved Mormonism.
Leaving a person because they have lost faith is morally wrong in my books.
H.
Actually, divorce for religious reasons is rather common. A born again christian who marries a born again christian and then five years later that spouse becomes an atheist, may find himself or herself divorced or at least separated because a common thread has been broken. And if that person becomes anti, well, the writing would be on the wall.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Yahoo Bot wrote: If, having failed to convince your wife of the frauds of Catholicism, you break your promise, your stop supporting the faith, you denounce it, you become addicted to porn and go gay -- well, you've done exactly what you've said you would not. Your wife has every right in the faith to denounce you to the priest and kick you out (although, if she divorces you in the Catholic faith, she cannot remarry).
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The catholic woman may be entitled to an annulment since the spouse had denounced the catholic faith and if the annulment is given, she can marry again.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Mercury wrote: Towards the end of the discussion i brought up fanny, the situation and why I felt that it was a darn good reason not to trust Joseph Smith. Night Y'all!
What is the problem with fanny? First, she wanted to be sealed to Joseph Smith. Her family gave permission for the sealing. She never said a negative word about Joseph Smith. Her family were proud to have her sealed to Joseph Smith and remained faithful to the church. I see no lust report from fanny. I see no lustful actions by Joseph Smith. And I see her family commited to the LDS faith. Maybe you should wait for Don Bradley's piece on fanny. I have heard that it is real faith promoter.
Why believe the antimormon understanding.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Yahoo Bot wrote: If, having failed to convince your wife of the frauds of Catholicism, you break your promise, your stop supporting the faith, you denounce it, you become addicted to porn and go gay -- well, you've done exactly what you've said you would not. Your wife has every right in the faith to denounce you to the priest and kick you out (although, if she divorces you in the Catholic faith, she cannot remarry).
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The catholic woman may be entitled to an annulment since the spouse had denounced the catholic faith and if the annulment is given, she can marry again.
Yahoo Bot wrote:Getting married by the parish priest is a statement and a commitment that you are bound to the Catholic faith. Before you are married by the priest, you actually commit to the priest and the future wife that you will raise your children as Catholics.
Non Catholics do not commit to raising the children Catholic, and I seem to remember it more of talking about how to fulfill an expectation than making a commitment. In canon law it is only spelled out in the case of a mixed marriage. But I really don't see anything or have ever been taught that marriage is a commitment that binds a person to the Church in anyway. The sacrament of marriage isn't even conferred by the church but by the man and woman.
Catholic marriage is taught as being an image of Christ and His bride, the Church. Marriage is a vocation, entered into as seriously as someone who enters the vocations of priesthood or religious life. Those getting married in a Catholic Rite of Matrimony are required to attend pre-marital classes. This is for several purposes, one of which is giving the couple a time of discernment while working with a third party who helps them anticipate their life ahead. This will give the couple time to clear out misconceptions, and facilitate communication, drawing out the difficult topics and helping the couple make sure nothing has been ignored or set to the side in the name of "love conquers all". Those type of topics are brought out, and the couple learns where the other is willing to compromise and where they are not. This sets a foundation for open communication in the marriage. The intent of the pre-marital class not being to end a relationship, but to strengthen it.
Like those who are in the vocations of priesthood or religious life, the vows taken are permanent. One spouse leaving the Catholic faith doesn't release them from the permanent vows they have made to each other.
Being a Christian is not the result of an ethical choice or a lofty idea, but the encounter with an event, a person, which gives life a new horizon and a decisive direction -Pope Benedict XVI
I had another thought that I wanted to share with you. I believe my apostasy was my ex-wife's Get of Jail for Free card. If I remember correctly she mentioned once that she had fallen out of love with me, and when I left the faith that gave her the pass to terminate the marriage. Often times people require a catalyst to deal with deeper issues or personal feelings. Don't be surprised if your wife has something else going on internally and this could just be the thing she needs to make that emotional break.
Divorce sucks, brother. However, there's life after marriage just as there's life after apostasy. I hope ya stay married, but if it doesn't work out you'll be fine.
V/R Dr. Cameron
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Yahoo Bot wrote:But marriage is usually a religious sacrament. If you were married in an LDS Temple or by a Catholic priest, you committed not only to your marriage but to your God and your faith. Your wife signed onto that concept and it wasn't good enough for her to just be married by a justice of the peace.
Wow... I had forgotten how bad Bot's brain damage was. Just how much glue have you sniffed, anyway?
Well, here you have it, folks. Religion ruins marriages. Case closed.
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
I don't recall the part of the story where Adam and Eve were married, went to the temple and were sealed, prior to them having sex and begatting Cain and Abel.
Did they not need to be married?
At what point did it stop being okay to play hide the sausage out of wedlock?
'Church pictures are not always accurate' (The Nehor May 4th 2011)
Morality is doing what is right, regardless of what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, regardless of what is right.
I certainly understand that when a marriage is entered into with a religious commitment as a central theme it can be very difficult when one of the spouses loses their faith. Personally I think and would hope that the love of the couple extends beyond the religious component of the relationship. I personally think that if the now non believer is hostile, pressures the other spouse to abandon the faith and pressures for the children to be yanked out of the faith that is more indicative of favoring the believer to consider terminating the marriage. But if the non believer is still respectful of the other spouses desire to worship, is reasonable about the children and so on they should be able to make it work.
But it is tough. I know it is. I feel bad for my wife and the fact that some of my testimony has unraveled. I will never push her to explore things she is not comfortable with and she is probably among the top two or three reasons among others I still actively choose to participate and remain involved as a Latter-day Saint.