why me wrote: A few years ago I thought of leaving the church. I read about Joseph Smith and it affected me greatly. But after posting on the postmo site and after being treated badly by postmo posters and banned and after posting on NOM and after being treated poorly by NOM posters and banned, I came to the conclusion that being a critic is just awful because it gives one permission to treat others badly. And so, I want to thank posters like Polygamy Porter for helping me stay in the church. It is because of posters like Polygamy Porter and others like him that caused me to rethink my decision and defend the LDS church.
Thank you ldstoronto for getting me to think why I remain a Mormon.
why me wrote:This is such crap. I just can't take it. Why bring his name into it at all unless you have some hidden purpose for doing so? Pahoran stengthed your resolve because of his posting style? Please enough of placing blame on someone else's head. You would have left maybe one week later because by the time you posted here on this board you were already out of the LDS church. And if you were looking for perfection in LDS posters well you certainly would not find it here or anywhere else.
So by your claim because pahoran pushed you out of the church he has commited murder? Come on...lets get real. Please stop judging people according to what you think god would or would not approve of.
You do realize how often Pahoran has been insulted by the critics on this board and these insults have been occuring long before you arrived on the scene. Do you hold critics accountable? No. And so, as you leave the LDS church you are perfectly now free to be rude and insulting like many of the critics here. No one will hold you accountable. They will just call it a stage in the leaving process.
In case anyone had any doubt, I offer proof that you are completely full of s***.
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
WHY ME - I don't know your story other than you are an inactive LDS guy that still defends the LDS church as much as any apologist I've seen. Can I ask why you aren't active in the LDS church if you still believe it?
Take in mind I am not judging you. I don't believe in the church yet I am still active in it and I get a lot of heat sometimes from people on other boards for remaining in the church but no longer believing in it so I kinda understand the situation.
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1) The anger/disposition of a particular group does not in any way influence the truth value of whatever positions they hold.
2) Not everyone who decides to leave the church become angry/bitter. For one thing, I highly doubt that everyone who appears angry/bitter on message boards actually are. It's one thing to vent; it's something else to be habitually angry. My sense is that bitter exmos were once chronically angry mos, too.
Shouldn't a person's membership of a particular group be about what they think is actually true, not because they like/dislike the group? For example, I'm fiscally conservative. Should I stop being so because I think so many Republicans are total nut-jobs?
LDS truthseeker wrote:WHY ME - I don't know your story other than you are an inactive LDS guy that still defends the LDS church as much as any apologist I've seen. Can I ask why you aren't active in the LDS church if you still believe it?
Take in mind I am not judging you. I don't believe in the church yet I am still active in it and I get a lot of heat sometimes from people on other boards for remaining in the church but no longer believing in it so I kinda understand the situation.
Well this is an honest question. First, I see nothing wrong in the LDS church. I have two daughters in the LDS church. One has served a mission and the other is now serving. I have supported them both. However, like some of the witnesses to the Book of Mormon I have lost interest in serving and in being active in the LDS church. However, like them, I can not deny my testimony from the holy spirit when I got on my hand and knees and prayed about the Book of Mormon. I felt a powerful confirmation. So, I may not be able to do it. But I can still defend it against people who wish to destroy the LDS church.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Ceeboo wrote:I would suggest that you could easily add devout-Mo's, never-Mo's, why-me's, and all people who own a keyboard to your list.
How would you describe your postings? Do you believe they are "extremely judgemental"? (These are serious questions)
With great respect intended (probably will fail, sorry), I would suggest that there is no possible way (without exception) to be both LDS and Catholic at the very same time.
For anyone who has implied/encouraged/suggested to you that there is "no problem" with this, I must tell you (as a Catholic) that there certainly is a problem. (Sorry)
Peace, Ceeboo
For the majority of catholics, no one really cares. Everyone is doing their own thing and what one choses to do with their life is their own business, especially when it comes to going to the catholic church and the Mormon church. It is all the same god. The Mormons that I have encountered on the internet have never given my a hard time about the choices I have made. No one sat in judgement of me. I have found internet Mormons to be very tolerant of my lifestyle and beliefs. However on exer boards, well, the situation has been quite different. Mormons can be pretty tolerant as a people. No Mormon has a problem with me going to the catholic church. Now do I know what everyone is thinking? Maybe not. But I have not felt isolated at all.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)
Jason Bourne wrote:No most were not fanatical TBMs they were just practicing active TBMs trying to do what their leaders said and believing it. See Why Me it is like Runtu said on another thread. You accuse so many of living their religion to well or taking it to seriously yet apparently you have not done so. You have a lot of hubris really and that is why you get so much wrath from so many here.
I am almost certain that if I encountered the people here as members they would have condemned me. Now to be honest I have never been condemned by any Mormon as exmormons and postmormons have condemned me. Superactive LDS who become exmormons can not tolerate a person who has been inactive and is inactive because it is something that they perhaps envy. To see someone who is a Mormon not active always leaves an impression of not being able to understand a superactive Mormon who has turned into a harboiled critic who has left the LDS church.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Maybe so but that has been my experience. Jeff Ricks many years ago predicted that I would be banned from FAIR. He was wrong. I got along with the people there quite well. No one on that board ever condemned me but intolerant postmos and exmos have condemned me on ex or postmo boards. I think the question that they need to ask themselves is: why am I so threatening to them that they need to mock or bash me. Or attempt to question my Mormonism and lifestyle beliefs.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Maybe so but that has been my experience. Jeff Ricks many years ago predicted that I would be banned from FAIR. He was wrong. I got along with the people there quite well. No one on that board ever condemned me but intolerant postmos and exmos have condemned me on ex or postmo boards. I think the question that they need to ask themselves is: why am I so threatening to them that they need to mock or bash me. Or attempt to question my Mormonism and lifestyle beliefs.
If a big drunk bigot defends me in a bar fight, I'm not going to criticize him for his drinking or racism while he's at my rescue.
"I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. ... Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I." - Joseph Smith, 1844
why me wrote: No one on that board ever condemned me but intolerant postmos and exmos have condemned me on ex or postmo boards. I think the question that they need to ask themselves is: why am I so threatening to them that they need to mock or bash me.
This is a fair question. Why are you so threatening to me? I have to think about that one...
I guess I fear the idea that someone could have so little common sense and still operate a computer well enough to post on a message board. I suppose what I really fear is what, exactly, that says about humanity.
why me wrote:Or attempt to question my Mormonism and lifestyle beliefs.
Where the hell have you been? Why aren't you paying attention? You can't swing a dead cat in this place without hitting an attempt to question your Mormonism and lifestyle beliefs.
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.