LDS Demonology?

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_The Nehor
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Re: LDS Demonology?

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Buffalo wrote:You know, "in the name of Jesus Christ." You could probably add the generic "by the authority of the Melchizedek priesthood." If you think some looseness disqualifies it as an incantation, what does that say about the sacrament and baptismal prayers?


That they are sorcery of the blackest hue!!!!!!!

What's the difference between a "genuine case" and something else, like hysteria, mental illness, sleep paralysis, etc? How can anyone tell them apart?


Most people can't.

by the way, someone who believes in evil spirits probably shouldn't call anyone ignorant.


Sorry, you demonstrated the ignorance. Whining about how I shouldn't point it out will not help.
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stemelbow wrote:
Well, you're the expert or at least it seems you are claiming to be.


Nah. I'm sure my level of knowledge could be obtained by googling a few sites and reading a few papers off of pubmed. I'm always wary of trying to figure out complex psychological with limited information, but I was just following what just me seemed to be getting at. I mean, there are rare types of migraines that cause what you are describing too, and further details you are giving would make me think that first if I were guessing. I really don't know enough to know.

I've been contemplating going back to school with the eventual goal of a fellowship in neuropsych. Maybe you could talk to me in 6-8 years or so. :p
So with this phenomena are people able to sense or predict when they are going to come on?


I've read this happens.

Are people's bodies warn out, unable to move?


That's a primary feature, yes. Sleep paralysis is probably the most notable feature of them. The classic hypnagoic case in America is either a "hag dream" like I mentioned before or a demonic or alien visitation. You'll notice that in the descriptions of them people invariably describe being paralyzed. When people go into REM sleep an area of the brain called the pons triggers general muscle atonia or that paralyzed feeling. The reason for this is that if your voluntary muscle movements weren't shut down while dreaming, you'd physically "act out" your dreams. That's what happens when people sleep walk. It just so happens that this system occasionally goes haywire and people transition into wakefulness while still experiencing REM-state phenomena and their brain still has the muscle atonia going.

Remember that REM sleep is "rapid eye movement" sleep? While most of your voluntary muscle functions are shut down during REM sleep, the muscles that control eye movement aren't paralyzed. So people who get sleep paralysis will find that they can still look around. There's a tell-tale sign.
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The Nehor wrote:
That they are sorcery of the blackest hue!!!!!!!


No, Mormon sorcery is white and delight-some.

The Nehor wrote:
What's the difference between a "genuine case" and something else, like hysteria, mental illness, sleep paralysis, etc? How can anyone tell them apart?


Most people can't.


But - let me guess - you can?


The Nehor wrote:
Sorry, you demonstrated the ignorance. Whining about how I shouldn't point it out will not help.


Boo!

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Buffalo wrote:
The Nehor wrote:
That they are sorcery of the blackest hue!!!!!!!


No, Mormon sorcery is white and delight-some.


No, most scriptures are black............uh-oh.......

The Nehor wrote:Most people can't.


But - let me guess - you can?


Indeed I am known world-wide for my demon-detectin. I was hired last week to exorcise a goat in Sri Lanka.

Oh and no, I can't always. Just sometimes.

Boo!

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The Nehor wrote:
You are not allowed to use a picture of Lorne without using a snappy musical reference. It's the law. Image


Most anything that can manifest in order to move in this dimension can be killed---kinda the downside of being here. That and the so-called musicals of Andrew Lloyd Webber.
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Buffalo wrote:
The Nehor wrote:
You are not allowed to use a picture of Lorne without using a snappy musical reference. It's the law. Image


Most anything that can manifest in order to move in this dimension can be killed---kinda the downside of being here. That and the so-called musicals of Andrew Lloyd Webber.


Offense forgiven :)
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The Nehor wrote:
Buffalo wrote:
Most anything that can manifest in order to move in this dimension can be killed---kinda the downside of being here. That and the so-called musicals of Andrew Lloyd Webber.


Offense forgiven :)


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so...can anyone provide an example of "demonic possession" that doesn't involve religious conditioning?

dude, nehor, you just need to stop talking about your demonic interactions...I actually let my NOM wife read your posts and she, as a believing momo, thinks you are a loon...by the way, she is also a doctor and thinks you might want to seek help for the "voices" you hear...that is not normal...
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EAllusion wrote:I've read this happens.


Where? I don't think I've seen that from anyone.

That's a primary feature, yes. Sleep paralysis is probably the most notable feature of them. The classic hypnagoic case in America is either a "hag dream" like I mentioned before or a demonic or alien visitation. You'll notice that in the descriptions of them people invariably describe being paralyzed. When people go into REM sleep an area of the brain called the pons triggers general muscle atonia or that paralyzed feeling. The reason for this is that if your voluntary muscle movements weren't shut down while dreaming, you'd physically "act out" your dreams. That's what happens when people sleep walk. It just so happens that this system occasionally goes haywire and people transition into wakefulness while still experiencing REM-state phenomena and their brain still has the muscle atonia going.


The intent of my question was is the body ward out afterward? I don't think i've seen much on that.

[/quote]Remember that REM sleep is "rapid eye movement" sleep? While most of your voluntary muscle functions are shut down during REM sleep, the muscles that control eye movement aren't paralyzed. So people who get sleep paralysis will find that they can still look around. There's a tell-tale sign.[/quote]

I ws never able to look around. It was visionary, moreso. I saw things that weren't around me.
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schreech wrote:dude, nehor, you just need to stop talking about your demonic interactions...I actually let my NOM wife read your posts and she, as a believing momo, thinks you are a loon...


So she knows me then? Is she in my ward?

by the way, she is also a doctor and thinks you might want to seek help for the "voices" you hear...that is not normal...


Would she maintain that I need to seek help for this despite there not being another occurrence of the "voices" in over a decade? Or did you give her the impression that this is an ongoing thing to make me look worse?
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