A Poster's Weak Faith Damaged by another Poster?

[_MrStakhanovite]

Translated into honest English: nothing I said to you had the slightest influence on your decision one way or another; you are just being manipulative. Because, of course, as you and I both know, and you will never admit: I am no part of your experience in the Church.

Yes you are. You are a member of the LDS church, I have experience of you in a specific setting talking about topics related to the LDS church, ergo...

H.

Oh look, Pahoran called out for acting like a douche, and his immediate reaction is to act like a douche as proof he wasn't acting like a douche.

[_LDSToronto]

And your melodramatic misrepresentations continue. No, it was nothing like a "murder."

Alma disagrees. Your posts are more likely to lead someone away from the church than they are to lead someone into the church. Thus, Alma says you are a murderer. Look, don't blame the messenger, I'm simply pointing out what Alma says about you, and people like you. If you don't like what Alma says about your behaviour, take it up with God.

Contrary to your lies, I did not drive you out of the Church;

Never said you did.

Contrary to your lies, I did not weaken your faith;

Never said you did.

Contrary to your lies, I had no impact on your relationships with any of your LDS friends and/or relatives;

Never said you did.

Your attempt to hang your apostasy on me is just a tired, shopworn anti-Mormon mind game.

I own my apostasy. Recall, I said the you strengthened my resolve. The resolve was already there, you just added to it.

You uttered the following slogan: "each time you tear down instead of building up."

Just this once, try to be honest: is there anything at all that I could have said that you would have construed as "building up" instead of "tearing down?"

Ya, it's simple: be nice. That's all. Just be nice. Of course, I think you've been given that advice before.

And before you go tearing off about how I'm some lily-livered petunia who requires delicate treatment - don't. My skin is thick. This is about me helping you out. You can carry on as before if it so pleases you; you'll just be regarded as you are currently.

H.

[_Jason Bourne]

Contrary to your lies, I did not drive you out of the Church; you did that entirely yourself. Contrary to your lies, I did not weaken your faith; it is impossible for me to weaken something that does not exist. Contrary to your lies, I had no impact on your relationships with any of your LDS friends and/or relatives; I don't know any of them, and none of them know me. Your attempt to hang your apostasy on me is just a tired, shopworn anti-Mormon mind game.

Boy Pahoran you sure like to call people liars don't you. But I think you are the one who has not got it straight. LDST did not say you drove him out of the church. He did not say you weakened his faith. All he said is that you ( and I assume people like you) strengthened his resolve. So who is lying here?

[_MrStakhanovite]

Ya, it's simple: be nice. That's all. Just be nice. Of course, I think you've been given that advice before.

This guy named Peter did...

But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect

The bolded word is the Greek word "apologia", where we get the term "apologetics" from today.

[_Yahoo Bot]

I don't see how a poster on this board, or MDD could be solely responsible for another poster leaving the Church.

If I'd have meant "solely," I would have stated it. Now you've got C.H. Jason Bourne accusing me of being a liar.

[_Jason Bourne]

I disagree with Pahoran. Toronto's post about his loss of faith is not manipulative. It is disingenuous and obviously so. He says one thing is true knowing that it really isn't.

Abandoning your faith after committing to it in a temple marriage with a faithful wife is exactly like going gay (and holding Harvey Milk up as your moral hero, not that there is anything wrong with it). One day your wife says: "Have you switched teams?" Your wife is entitled to be something more than a beard, in the one case, or a false spiritual attainment, in the other.

I see your newest obsession is with issues of homosexuality. So let's list em out shall we:

You are obsessed about:

1: Anonymous posters that are vile hypocrites. This one has bugged you for quite some time.

2: You have now added to your repertoire calling persons degenerates apostates. Why the new slur?

3: Anyone who leaves the Church who was married must somehow be gay.

Got it! What fun.

[Guest]

Blah, blah, redirect, retreat, blah, blindly defend joe at all costs, blah, insult to cover for joes infidelities and to make up for your own insecurities, blah, etc., ...so predictable...

Ah, so joe disobeying the counsel given in the D&C is ok since he had a couple kids with Emma - you.are.hilarious...Yes, the fact that he had children with emma certainly dispels any possibility of sex with any other people...elohim, you are a dunce...:

"they [the plural wives] are given unto him to multiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be glorified."

[_Jason Bourne]

If I'd have meant "solely," I would have stated it. Now you've got C.H. Jason Bourne accusing me of being a liar.

Did you not say:

As you know, LDS Toronto is claiming he's leaving the Church because another poster has hurt his feelings, an anonymous poster here and on that other board.

LDST said in no way said that Pahoran was even one of the reasons he left. He simply said it strengthened his resolve. Your statement seems untruthful. You naming for this thread would be closer to being accurate.

[_MrStakhanovite]

As you know, LDS Toronto is claiming he's leaving the Church because another poster has hurt his feelings, an anonymous poster here and on that other board.

Pahoran is not an anonymous poster, though his wishes he was

[_Pahoran]

Alma disagrees.

I take it, then, that you are saying that Alma really existed and was a real prophet?

Because you couldn't possibly be a hypocrite who urges others to follow religious leaders he himself doesn't believe in now, could you?

Your posts are more likely to lead someone away from the church than they are to lead someone into the church.

In your opinion.

An opinion that just happens to be serviceable to your accusation.

An accusation based entirely upon a falsehood.

Thus, Alma says you are a murderer. Look, don't blame the messenger, I'm simply pointing out what Alma says about you, and people like you. If you don't like what Alma says about your behaviour, take it up with God.

No, you are not "pointing out" any such thing. You are making a tendentious eisegetical argument, and I shall be content to take it up with you. You are not the "messenger," you are the fabricator of the message.

Contrary to your lies, I did not drive you out of the Church;

Never said you did.

Contrary to your lies, I did not weaken your faith;

Never said you did.

Contrary to your lies, I had no impact on your relationships with any of your LDS friends and/or relatives;

Never said you did.

Ergo, your apostasy had nothing to do with me.

In fact, as you and I both know, your apostasy was already terminal the first time I ever responded to one of your posts. You were just in denial about it then.

Your attempt to hang your apostasy on me is just a tired, shopworn anti-Mormon mind game.

I own my apostasy. Recall, I said the you strengthened my resolve. The resolve was already there, you just added to it.

So you keep saying. And the question you keep evading is this: if you had never seen a post from me, would you have stayed faithful to the Church for one whole minute longer?

Answer: No. You would not.

Would you like to know how I know you would not?

Easy: Because I had nothing to do with Proposition 8, which was the real catalyst for your apostasy.

You uttered the following slogan: "each time you tear down instead of building up."

Just this once, try to be honest: is there anything at all that I could have said that you would have construed as "building up" instead of "tearing down?"

Ya, it's simple: be nice. That's all. Just be nice. Of course, I think you've been given that advice before.

More evasion. Try giving a "straight" answer (so to speak.) What could you regard as "nice" that did not affirm and encourage your apostasy? For example, when I said that President Packer was a man of God, you did not seem to regard that as being "nice." So evidently being "nice" to you precludes being "nice" to those you despise.

Regards,
Pahoran