Rich's Website

[_rich kelsey]

You are still avioding what we are asking of you, and you haven't even established that they all anti-mormon, and didn't you say he did have a link to at least one LDS friendly site. Again you know we atre not talking about links to other sites. man up and show what we asked which was for inaccurate information on HIS SITE.

Themis, here are some of the links on my site:

LDS.org — official site of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

Book of Mormon — modern online edition

Doctrine & Covenants — modern online edition

Pearl of Great Price — modern online edition

Early Church Historical Documents Published in BYU Studies

Joseph Knight's Recollection of Early Mormon History BYU Studies — onsite copy

Joseph Smith Papers — Early records of LDS history

Jesus Christ Our Chosen Leader and Savior — Jesus and Satan, "two of our brothers" — LDS.org Gospel Principles 17, Chapter 3 / on-site copy with highlighted text

JST - Joseph Smith Inspired Version of the Bible — RLDS

http://richkelsey.org/links.htm

[_Themis]

His links section resides on HIS SITE.

He claims to be fair, but how can he be when he directs people to only anti-Mormon sites (except the Joseph Smith Papers). I don't need to go through his poorly written articles -- I know anti-Mormon filth when I see it.

Do you believe he can criticize my faith and not be victim to criticism himself?

Stop being avioding what we asked and Man up. Do you really think any here doesn't see you don't want to even try. You can critize him all you want, but don't think you can do it without being asked to back up what you say. You have not done any of it. All you do is scream at others anti-mormon and you think you have acomplished something, but it is a little entertaining even if it is meaningless to everyone but you.

Edit: I just looked at his links page and unless he has changed it recently he has a lot of links to LDS friendly sites and he lists them first. You are so full of crap, so why not get back to what we have been asking about what he says on his site. Stop trying to weasle out again. Most here know why you can't be taken seriously.

[_rich kelsey]

Edit: I just looked at his links page and unless he has changed it recently he has a lot of links to LDS friendly sites and he lists them first. You are so full of crap, so why not get back to what we have been asking about what he says on his site. Stop trying to weasle out again. Most here know why you can't be taken seriously.

Themis,

There were always links to Mormon sites. But, I did add some more last Saturday. If you look at the endnotes there are a ton of inactive links to Mormon works. And, even within the links and articles there are more active links to Mormon works.

Here are two examples:

http://richkelsey.org/1826_trial_testimonies.htm

This page is from a LDS work and it has links to other LDS material

Also,
http://richkelsey.org/Cumorah's%20Cave.htm

That is just one link from an article; again to a LDS work

There are hundreds of endnotes to LDS/ Mormon works. My articles were written from LDS source material.

[_Simon Belmont]

Edit: I just looked at his links page and unless he has changed it recently he has a lot of links to LDS friendly sites and he lists them first. You are so full of crap, so why not get back to what we have been asking about what he says on his site. Stop trying to weasle out again. Most here know why you can't be taken seriously.

The top four links were added very recently. I'm glad Rich is taking some of my criticism to heart, at least. So now we have a ratio of 6/30 or 2% of the links not hostile toward the church. Does that seem fair or balanced to you?

[_Simon Belmont]

Rich, pay very close attention---


Here is a screenshot of the Google cache from a couple of days ago. Rich is trying to play it off like he always had those 6 links, but the truth is that he did not. He added the top for within days. The lies of the anti-Mormon know no bounds. The anti-Mormon will even lie about his own website!

http://i56.tinypic.com/mal8qr.png
(Moderator Note) I changed the image to a link because it was throwing off the entire page and making it difficult to read. Liz

[_Morley]

Edit: I just looked at his links page and unless he has changed it recently he has a lot of links to LDS friendly sites and he lists them first. You are so full of crap, so why not get back to what we have been asking about what he says on his site. Stop trying to weasle out again. Most here know why you can't be taken seriously.

The top four links were added very recently. I'm glad Rich is taking some of my criticism to heart, at least. So now we have a ratio of 6/30 or 2% of the links not hostile toward the church. Does that seem fair or balanced to you?

Six of thirty is two percent? Seriously?

[_Themis]

The top four links were added very recently. I'm glad Rich is taking some of my criticism to heart, at least. So now we have a ratio of 6/30 or 2% of the links not hostile toward the church. Does that seem fair or balanced to you?

You may want to take a math class. Your other post calling him an anti-mormon(again used as a meaningless attack word) and liar is false. He posted before you did that he recently added some links and yet you still called him a liar. You are dfefinitely not making the church look very good, and you still are avioding what I and others have asked you to do, but I never had much hope that you would ever back up your accusations. I would also add that Rich acts much more like a Christain then you have in this thread. You should maybe learn something from him.

[_Themis]

Six of thirty is two percent? Seriously?

I think he may have meant 20%, but it still does not establish that the other sites are really antimormon by most people use of the term, or what incorrect information they may have. These other links really are irrelevant, and I think SB knows this, but it's all he has.

[_rich kelsey]

These other links really are irrelevant...

Hi Morely,

Hi Themis,

Because this thread is entitled “Rich’s Website” it would be nice to deal with relevant issues regarding the site.

The board may find a review of an article on the site by either of you informative. May I suggest, Those Mysterious Golden Plates.

If you have not read it already I believe you may find it enlightening. I bring a new perspective to Smith’s old story. It’s called the New History.

Here is a link: http://richkelsey.org/STORY%204.htm

Here is a review from a man who was a Mormon for 50 years:

"Hey Rich, thanks for the link to your latest work. Again well thought out and presented in an easy to digest format. Lots of rock solid facts and all well documented. You have a richly wonderful in depth understanding of the deceptions laid out by Joseph Smith for someone who was never in the religion. You still bring out many interesting points that I've never considered after being exposed to the church for over 50 years. It still fascinates me and I never tire of reading the different views, comments and close examination from scholars who expose the inconsistencies and omissions found in the Mormon church’s version of its own history."

The highlighted text is clickable;

Here is what an active Mormon said about the work:

"A couple of things stand out. It's very interesting information, and quite honestly I'm not inclined to deny any of it. I have read books on treasure (including Utah's Gold Rush and history) and it's a common theme, although fantastic, that certain treasure seems cursed in the sense that we really can't find it or once found, get our hands on it. I'm not sure why, exactly, but it happens. Not that I'm justifying Joseph's responses, I'm just mentioning what I've found. I appreciate your research, which is very good. I have no reason to doubt any of it."

[_jon]

Rich,

You should remove information about other religions on your site. It should be dedicated to the promotion of whatever your brand/denomination/sect of Christianity is, and to leave others' alone.

Simon, are you pleased with how this thread that you started has worked out...?