zeezrom wrote:Stem, Man, all those times I sat in people's houses with my flip chart telling them how great it was that God restored the priesthood keys to the earth. That was the whole reason for being Mormon! We had the keys and they didn't! Amazing.
I just find the thought of setting up flip charts in peoples living rooms funny. I can just imagine the reactions of most of my family and friends. Merciless mocking after the boys had left more than likely.
café crema wrote:I just find the thought of setting up flip charts in peoples living rooms funny. I can just imagine the reactions of most of my family and friends. Merciless mocking after the boys had left more than likely.
I would rather have flip charts than being forced to be catholic as what happened in colonial times. Not to mention being forced to be catholic because of political connections.
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Well, I called and cancelled the appointment. We were obliged to leave the house for 2 hours while some business was taken care of. It just came up and surprised us. I told the Exec sec I would be happy to meet the SP away from the house maybe at lunch.
This sounds weird but we are going through some hectic stuff at home right now.
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café crema wrote:I just find the thought of setting up flip charts in peoples living rooms funny. I can just imagine the reactions of most of my family and friends. Merciless mocking after the boys had left more than likely.
I would rather have flip charts than being forced to be catholic as what happened in colonial times. Not to mention being forced to be catholic because of political connections.
zeezrom wrote:Well, I called and cancelled the appointment. We were obliged to leave the house for 2 hours while some business was taken care of. It just came up and surprised us. I told the Exec sec I would be happy to meet the SP away from the house maybe at lunch.
This sounds weird but we are going through some hectic stuff at home right now.
Actually, I think it's better if you meet in "neutral territory". Lunch in a restaurant might be a really nice, relaxed atmosphere to have a discussion.
Hope everything is okay on the homefront. Thanks for the update.
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café crema wrote:I just find the thought of setting up flip charts in peoples living rooms funny. I can just imagine the reactions of most of my family and friends. Merciless mocking after the boys had left more than likely.
I would rather have flip charts than being forced to be catholic as what happened in colonial times. Not to mention being forced to be catholic because of political connections.
Emphasis mine.
You cannot mean the British North American Colonies--the thirteen that became the United States. If I recall, only Maryland was Catholic and they had some kind of charter of religious freedom. Certainly, people weren't "forced to be catholic." Let me know if I'm wrong.
zeezrom wrote:Well, I called and cancelled the appointment. We were obliged to leave the house for 2 hours while some business was taken care of. It just came up and surprised us. I told the Exec sec I would be happy to meet the SP away from the house maybe at lunch.
This sounds weird but we are going through some hectic stuff at home right now.
Actually, I think it's better if you meet in "neutral territory". Lunch in a restaurant might be a really nice, relaxed atmosphere to have a discussion.
Let us know what happens.
Make sure it is a restaurant that serves at least beer.
Then you can order up a nice cold Polygamy Porter to drink while he vomits his lameass testimony-baloney all over the table.
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why me wrote: I would rather have flip charts than being forced to be catholic as what happened in colonial times. Not to mention being forced to be catholic because of political connections.
Emphasis mine.
You cannot mean the British North American Colonies--the thirteen that became the United States. If I recall, only Maryland was Catholic and they had some kind of charter of religious freedom. Certainly, people weren't "forced to be catholic." Let me know if I'm wrong.
Nope you're not wrong, no one was being forced to be Catholic here or in GB at the time, quite the reverse in many cases, even in Maryland according to Wiki:
Wiki wrote:Freedom of religion was first applied as a principle of government in the founding of the colony of Maryland, founded by the Catholic Lord Baltimore, in 1634.[2] Fifteen years later (1649), the first enactment of religious liberty, the Maryland Toleration Act, drafted by Lord Baltimore, provided: "No person or persons...shall from henceforth be any waies troubled, molested or discountenanced for or in respect of his or her religion nor in the free exercise thereof." The Maryland Toleration Act was repealed with the assistance of Protestant assemblymen and a new law barring Catholics from openly practicing their religion was passed.[3] In 1657, Lord Baltimore regained control after making a deal with the colony's Protestants, and in 1658 the Act was again passed by the colonial assembly. This time, it would last more than thirty years, until 1692,[4] when after Maryland's Protestant Revolution of 1689, freedom of religion was again rescinded.[2][5] In addition in 1704, an Act was passed "to prevent the growth of Popery in this Province", preventing Catholics from holding political office.[5] Full religious toleration would not be restored in Maryland until the American Revolution, when Maryland's Charles Carroll of Carrollton signed the American Declaration of Independence.
Some Schmo wrote:I was surprised by zeez's comment too, actually. I mean, calling BS on the first vision story was the beginnings of my doubt at the age of 10 or so. If Joseph Smith lied about that, why should anyone believe anything that came after that?
It is an awfully big IF.
Not really. It's a given. Everyone with at least a shred of common sense knows he lied about the FV. There's something about a 14 year old going into the forest and seeing god that strikes me as pure hogwash.
why me wrote:Isn't it amazing the LDS church has survived this long.
It's no more amazing than the hundreds of other religions that have survived over the years. If that counts as a reason for believing in it, why aren't you a Scientologist? How has Scientology survived?
If longevity of a religion is a criterion for its truth value, then the LDS church is less true than most religions.
The fact is, people like to believe comforting BS. That's human nature. Some people's favorite brand of comforting BS is Mormonism. So what?
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.