Worshipping a More Powerful Being

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_Socrates
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Re: Worshipping a More Powerful Being

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Chap wrote:
Socrates wrote:Are you saying that until someone can comprehend the true nature of infinity, no beginning and no end, he will be hopelessly searching for an infinite regression of pre-creations? Vainly seeking a point in time at which something appeared from nothing?


Are you saying infinity has a 'true nature'? I did not say or assume that.

If you want to do the Socratic elenchus on me, are you not supposed to start from some assertion or assumption that I have made? I can remember that from the accounts that your young friend with the broad shoulders left us of your conversations.

Why do you consider the existence of the universe problematic?
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Chap wrote:
Socrates wrote:Are you saying that until someone can comprehend the true nature of infinity, no beginning and no end, he will be hopelessly searching for an infinite regression of pre-creations? Vainly seeking a point in time at which something appeared from nothing?


Are you saying infinity has a 'true nature'? I did not say or assume that.

If you want to do the Socratic elenchus on me, are you not supposed to start from some assertion or assumption that I have made? I can remember that from the accounts that your young friend with the broad shoulders left us of your conversations.


Socrates wrote:Why do you consider the existence of the universe problematic?


Good try, but I am not sure that I do want to say that I consider the existence of the universe 'problematic'. That is for two reasons:

1. Its existence is certainly not problematic to me in the sense of my being troubled by any serious doubt about whether it exists.

2. I am not sure whether it makes any sense to ask why the universe exists, if by 'universe' you intend to name the set that includes everything - that is, roughly speaking all things that could in principle be objects of experience, whether direct or indirect. Since most people would feel uncomfortable in being told that something was the reason for its own existence, it would seem that for such people the reason for the existence of the universe would have to lie outside the universe. But that would contradict our assumption about what the universe is. So it seems that the question asked may be nonsensical. As I have already said:

It is more economical to say that there appear to be some questions we cannot answer.


The reason for our not being able to answer a question may be because we are too ignorant, but it can also be that the question is such as not to have an answer (Such as 'What odd number between 1 and 100 is divisible by two?'.). I suspect that may be the case for this question.
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I worship God because she came into my life. No other reason. I worship her because she is there.
Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)

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Socrates wrote:Do you worship a god or other superhuman powerful being because you fear retribution if you do not?


No, I worship God because He is good. He would be deserving of my veneration even if He were powerless.

Do you feel protected and comforted by the thought of this being using its power to watch over you?


Yes and no.

Do you believe in such a being because you cannot comprehend how else the world came to be, and you cannot comprehend an infinity without a beginning?


No, though I do believe this is a snarky and condescending question.
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I don't know who or what the New York Yankees are.

And I don't care.
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ludwigm wrote:I don't know who or what the New York Yankees are.

And I don't care.


Philistine! Not that I'm a Yankees fan. I'm not sure Jeter qualifies as a more powerful being, though.
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Socrates wrote: Do you worship a god or other superhuman powerful being because you fear retribution if you do not?

Worship is a bit strong, but I do really like Google. And the only thing I fear from not attending to Google is unnecessary ignorance.

Socrates wrote: Do you feel protected and comforted by the thought of this being using its power to watch over you?

Google watches over me? Holy crap! It's 1984 all over again!

Socrates wrote: Do you believe in such a being because you cannot comprehend how else the world came to be, and you cannot comprehend an infinity without a beginning?

Google didn't make the world. It simply describes it, given the right questions.
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
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