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_Hoops
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Re: Speaking of brainwashing ...

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the people that claim to know truths that they can't possible know are the ones that are being arrogant.
Yep

If a person has a strong faith (i.e. a strong need to believe)

Example A
they might think that their beliefs are true (or more correctly "want" their beliefs to be true). It doesn't make them true.
Example B
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Hoops wrote:
the people that claim to know truths that they can't possible know are the ones that are being arrogant.
Yep

If a person has a strong faith (i.e. a strong need to believe)

Example A
they might think that their beliefs are true (or more correctly "want" their beliefs to be true). It doesn't make them true.
Example B


I'm still trying to figure out how my post was arrogant or atheist for simply stating my opinion that schools like the Helaman Academy do their kids a disservice by filtering everything through a narrow religious prism. Would you send your kids to a school that taught that the US Constitution's primary purpose was the establishment of Mormonism?
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Re: Speaking of brainwashing ...

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Hoops wrote: There is no arrogance quite like the atheist/agnostic one.

Hmmmm... somehow, thinking you not only know there's a god but also have insight into what said god wants and then condemning others for not sharing your view seems far more arrogant to me than taking the empirical evidence for what it is.

You gotta love the irony.
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condemning others for not sharing your view seems far more arrogant to me than taking the empirical evidence for what it is.

You'll prove that I have ever done this, in any forum, at any time, in any way?

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Hoops wrote:
the people that claim to know truths that they can't possible know are the ones that are being arrogant.
Yep

If a person has a strong faith (i.e. a strong need to believe)

Example A
they might think that their beliefs are true (or more correctly "want" their beliefs to be true). It doesn't make them true.
Example B


I guess I'm confused. Are you citing A and B as examples of arrogance? If so, you should look up the definition.
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I guess I'm confused. Are you citing A and B as examples of arrogance? If so, you should look up the definition.
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Hoops wrote:
condemning others for not sharing your view seems far more arrogant to me than taking the empirical evidence for what it is.

You'll prove that I have ever done this, in any forum, at any time, in any way?

I don't feel moved to prove it, actually.

If you are not one of those religious zealots that actually condemn others for sharing your views makes you only slightly less arrogant than those who do. The arrogance, in my opinion, comes mostly from pretending to know the will of an imaginary supernatural being and ignoring evidence that contradicts your "knowledge."
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I don't feel moved to prove it, actually.

If you are not one of those religious zealots that actually condemn others for sharing your views makes you only slightly less arrogant than those who do. The arrogance, in my opinion, comes mostly from pretending to know the will of an imaginary supernatural being and ignoring evidence that contradicts your "knowledge."


Example C.
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Some Schmo wrote:
If you are not one of those religious zealots that actually condemn others for sharing your views makes you only slightly less arrogant than those who do. The arrogance, in my opinion, comes mostly from pretending to know the will of an imaginary supernatural being and ignoring evidence that contradicts your "knowledge."


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Re: Speaking of brainwashing ...

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Hoops wrote:
I don't feel moved to prove it, actually.

If you are not one of those religious zealots that actually condemn others for sharing your views makes you only slightly less arrogant than those who do. The arrogance, in my opinion, comes mostly from pretending to know the will of an imaginary supernatural being and ignoring evidence that contradicts your "knowledge."


Example C.


Ok, Hoops. In your opinion, what would be less arrogant answers than A, B or C?

It's you that is putting forward a position based on personal religious beliefs. How are opinions based on an a disbelief more arrogant?

How would you feel if I were to claim you were arrogant for not taking my point of view. I'm not arguing about the existence of God (I just don't know). I'm just questioning various people's version of God.

I'm positive that I don't know anything about God. I'm pretty sure that no one else does, either.
This, or any other post that I have made or will make in the future, is strictly my own opinion and consequently of little or no value.

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