Hoops wrote:Yes, of course, it's my fault atheists/agnostics are so arrogant. I see now.
It is possible to be extremely clever and highly educated, and still be a believing evangelical Christian.
It is also possible to be a believing evangelical Christian, and still be rather stupid.
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Hoops wrote:Except I have the evidence of your own words to support my argument.
Nah, if you reread my first post, you'll see that I went out of my way to keep it as impersonal as I could and still answer your comments.
What I wrote in response to your comments are my own PERSONAL opinions on the subject. Not meant to be taken as a derogatory comment on your (or anyone else's) beliefs.
The fact that you would take it that way speaks to your own self doubts.
This, or any other post that I have made or will make in the future, is strictly my own opinion and consequently of little or no value.
"Faith is believing something you know ain't true" Twain.
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries." Treaty of Tripoli, 1796 (signed while George Washington was President, finished under the next administration)
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Christian ideal and/or morals and Christian religion are two different things much of the time.
"This is how INGORNAT these fools are!" - darricktevenson
Bow your head and mutter, what in hell am I doing here?
infaymos wrote: "Peterson is the defacto king ping of the Mormon Apologetic world."
Joseph wrote:"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries." Treaty of Tripoli, 1796 (signed while George Washington was President, finished under the next administration)
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Christian ideal and/or morals and Christian religion are two different things much of the time.
Jefferson continually, and distinctively made this point. In fact he had little positive to say about about "organised religion".
Nah, if you reread my first post, you'll see that I went out of my way to keep it as impersonal as I could and still answer your comments.
What I wrote in response to your comments are my own PERSONAL opinions on the subject. Not meant to be taken as a derogatory comment on your (or anyone else's) beliefs.
The fact that you would take it that way speaks to your own self doubts
You wrote: If a person has a strong faith (i.e. a strong need to believe) they might think that their beliefs are true (or more correctly "want" their beliefs to be true).
Nah, if you reread my first post, you'll see that I went out of my way to keep it as impersonal as I could and still answer your comments.
What I wrote in response to your comments are my own PERSONAL opinions on the subject. Not meant to be taken as a derogatory comment on your (or anyone else's) beliefs.
The fact that you would take it that way speaks to your own self doubts
You wrote: If a person has a strong faith (i.e. a strong need to believe) they might think that their beliefs are true (or more correctly "want" their beliefs to be true).
And I stand by it! This is how I think faith works. Faith, by definition, is belief in things that are not proven. If a person didn't need to believe in any particular proposition, they would not need faith. Yes or no?
This is my own view. What's yours?
This, or any other post that I have made or will make in the future, is strictly my own opinion and consequently of little or no value.
"Faith is believing something you know ain't true" Twain.