Sorry true believers - I'm crashing your Celestial party

[_The Nehor]

It just says "sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise." I'm told that this is just the plain old Holy Ghost.

It is. It is the ratification of the covenant you made that can be removed or replaced by the Holy Ghost depending on how you live up to your covenants.

My guess is that currently the covenant is null and void. So, I won't ask you to bring chips and salsa.

[_Themis]

Cool! I'll sneak you through the Elijah Able entrance in the back.

Shhhhh, says the tour guide as they pass consiglieri's celestial abode, Mormons think they are the only ones here.

[_Buffalo]

It just says "sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise." I'm told that this is just the plain old Holy Ghost.

It is. It is the ratification of the covenant you made that can be removed or replaced by the Holy Ghost depending on how you live up to your covenants.

My guess is that currently the covenant is null and void. So, I won't ask you to bring chips and salsa.

Nope, it's still good. Read the not so fine print:

"he or she shall commit any sin or transgression of the new and everlasting covenant whatever, and all manner of blasphemies, and if they commit no murder wherein they shed innocent blood, yet they shall come forth in the first resurrection, and enter into their exaltation."

I come here and blaspheme every day. I'm covered by the celestial insurance policy. Sorry, sucka. The CK will be full of apostates and anti-Mormons. :)

[_DrW]

Nope, it's still good. Read the not so fine print:

"he or she shall commit any sin or transgression of the new and everlasting covenant whatever, and all manner of blasphemies, and if they commit no murder wherein they shed innocent blood, yet they shall come forth in the first resurrection, and enter into their exaltation."

I come here and blaspheme every day. I'm covered by the celestial insurance policy. Sorry, sucka. The CK will be full of apostates and anti-Mormons. :)

Do you think that there will be an opt out clause? I hope there is an opt out clause.

Unless the apostates and ex-members constitute a sizable majority (which according to this scripture may well be the case), I would just as soon move in downstairs and closer to the street.

[_brade]

It just says "sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise." I'm told that this is just the plain old Holy Ghost.

It is. It is the ratification of the covenant you made that can be removed or replaced by the Holy Ghost depending on how you live up to your covenants.

My guess is that currently the covenant is null and void. So, I won't ask you to bring chips and salsa.

Hold on. But, then how does bit in bold come into play?:

Verily, verily, I say unto you, if a man marry a wife according to my word, and they are sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, according to mine appointment, and he or she shall commit any sin or transgression of the new and everlasting covenant whatever, and all manner of blasphemies, and if they commit no murder wherein they shed innocent blood, yet they shall come forth in the first resurrection, and enter into their exaltation; but they shall be destroyed in the flesh, and shall be delivered unto the buffetings of Satan unto the day of redemption, saith the Lord God.

Suppose I entered into the relevant covenant, the Holy Ghost ratified that covenant, but then I go on to do something sinful; but short of shedding innocent blood. Is it your view that by sinning the ratification is removed? Suppose, say, I go inactive and commence moderate alcohol consumption. Having been once ratified, will my ratification be removed by the Holy Ghost such that I will not enter into my exaltation subsequent to being destroyed in the flesh and buffeted by Satan?

[_moksha]

The second anointing (or second endowment) was the crowning ordinance of the temple, and whereas initiates to the endowment are washed and anointed preparatory to becoming kings and priests, the second anointing actually proclaimed and ordained them to that position. (And the woman were ordained queens and priestesses.)

From what little I know, it is a two-part ceremony; the first part including a woman and her husband receiving certain ordinations from the president of the high priesthood (or his designee); and the second part being exclusively between the wife and husband themselves, where they go into a separate room, and engage in an ordinance prescribed for them, at least part of which includes the wife symbolically preparing the husband for burial.

Although this ordinance was widely practiced in Joseph Smith's day, it has dropped off precipitously to the point it is likely at least some of the apostles have not received it.

Apostle Howard Hunter is reported to have never heard of it.

It is due to what is the effective loss of this ordinance that the verse in section 132 is so obtuse. Even the Institute manual writers seem to have difficulty.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

I know this second annointing has been discussed here several times. Upon reading what others have said, I thought that this ordinance has simply been restricted to Temple/Mission Presidents and above and is to remain hush-hush, so the general membership will be unaware of it and thus not desire it for themselves. Any misinformation to the contrary helps to serve that purpose.

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[_The Nehor]

Nope, it's still good. Read the not so fine print:

"he or she shall commit any sin or transgression of the new and everlasting covenant whatever, and all manner of blasphemies, and if they commit no murder wherein they shed innocent blood, yet they shall come forth in the first resurrection, and enter into their exaltation."

I come here and blaspheme every day. I'm covered by the celestial insurance policy. Sorry, sucka. The CK will be full of apostates and anti-Mormons. :)

Your quote conveniently left out the "Holy Spirit of Promise bit" so sorry, you are still wrong....and a bad quoter.

[_The Nehor]

It is. It is the ratification of the covenant you made that can be removed or replaced by the Holy Ghost depending on how you live up to your covenants.

My guess is that currently the covenant is null and void. So, I won't ask you to bring chips and salsa.

Hold on. But, then how does bit in bold come into play?:

Verily, verily, I say unto you, if a man marry a wife according to my word, and they are sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, according to mine appointment, and he or she shall commit any sin or transgression of the new and everlasting covenant whatever, and all manner of blasphemies, and if they commit no murder wherein they shed innocent blood, yet they shall come forth in the first resurrection, and enter into their exaltation; but they shall be destroyed in the flesh, and shall be delivered unto the buffetings of Satan unto the day of redemption, saith the Lord God.

Suppose I entered into the relevant covenant, the Holy Ghost ratified that covenant, but then I go on to do something sinful; but short of shedding innocent blood. Is it your view that by sinning the ratification is removed?

Sometimes.

Suppose, say, I go inactive and commence moderate alcohol consumption. Having been once ratified, will my ratification be removed by the Holy Ghost such that I will not enter into my exaltation subsequent to being destroyed in the flesh and buffeted by Satan?

That is the most likely scenario. Enjoy your buffeting and hope it is in reference to a buffet.

[_RockSlider]

there used to be a BIC (born in the covenant) clause the should get me in just fine!

[_The Nehor]

there used to be a BIC (born in the covenant) clause the should get me in just fine!

There still is but that depends on your parents. Are they gonna make it?