Sorry true believers - I'm crashing your Celestial party

[_Buffalo]

We all forgot something. What about the children? Sure, you and yours will make it but the kids may not.

I believe this is the button the church pushes. Scary!

That's true, but then again, none of this is real. There is no afterlife.

[_jon]

Hello,

Yet another example of an apologist not believing his own scriptures.

I'll see ya in the Celestial Kingdom, Mr. Buffalo! *fist pumps the air*

V/R
Dr. Cam "I'm crashin' on God's couch." NC for Me

The first thing I'm going to do is pee in the celestial swimming pool. God's really going to regret giving Joseph Smith that revelation, most of which seems to have been designed to a) get Joseph out of trouble with Emma, and b) tell Emma to shut up and learn her place.

Don't do that, they have a special dye in the water that will show your pee up. As it's the CK pool the dye is golden in colour...oh....hang on...

[_consiglieri]

There still is but that depends on your parents. Are they gonna make it?

But do we not trace parentage all the way back to Adam and Eve?

[_consiglieri]

We had the holy spirit of promise when we were married. It specifically says that after that you can commit ANY sins short of shedding innocent blood, and still receive your exaltation.

I will mention again that it is common for LDS (and non-LDS) to read this passage as applying to those who have been married.

This is because the LDS Church has pretty much lost the concept of the second anointing. I believe that, when you understand a second ordinance is referenced after temple marriage, the entirety of the passage makes more sense, including the need for one to administer the ordinance of the second anointing.

Being "sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise" is an ordinance; it is the highest ordinance of the temple; it is having one's calling and election made sure.

It is not something that just sort of happens in the heavens without the recipient knowing it.

It is impossible for a man to be saved in ignorance.

By which Joseph meant a man cannot be saved and not know it.

18And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that covenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.

19And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, and it is sealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of promise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the keys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s Book of Life, that he shall commit no murder whereby to shed innocent iblood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_harmony]

Being "sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise" is an ordinance; it is the highest ordinance of the temple; it is having one's calling and election made sure.

And it's been closed off to the general membership for generations.

[Guest]

We had the holy spirit of promise when we were married. It specifically says that after that you can commit ANY sins short of shedding innocent blood, and still receive your exaltation.

I will mention again that it is common for LDS (and non-LDS) to read this passage as applying to those who have been married.

This is because the LDS Church has pretty much lost the concept of the second anointing. I believe that, when you understand a second ordinance is referenced after temple marriage, the entirety of the passage makes more sense, including the need for one to administer the ordinance of the second anointing.

Being "sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise" is an ordinance; it is the highest ordinance of the temple; it is having one's calling and election made sure.

It is not something that just sort of happens in the heavens without the recipient knowing it.

It is impossible for a man to be saved in ignorance.

By which Joseph meant a man cannot be saved and not know it.

18And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that covenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.

19And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, and it is sealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of promise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the keys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s Book of Life, that he shall commit no murder whereby to shed innocent iblood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

The modern church now teaches that it's just the plain vanilla HG. Imma go with that.

[_Yoda]

Being "sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise" is an ordinance; it is the highest ordinance of the temple; it is having one's calling and election made sure.

And it's been closed off to the general membership for generations.

Some still receive the Second Annointing, but they are not allowed to talk about it. I have a strong suspicion that my in-laws have received it.

[_consiglieri]

Some still receive the Second Annointing, but they are not allowed to talk about it. I have a strong suspicion that my in-laws have received it.

Can you conceive a way of tricking them into spilling the beans?

[_consiglieri]

The modern church now teaches that it's just the plain vanilla HG. Imma go with that.

And I think you would be entitled to do so.


I'll leave the light on.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_harmony]

Some still receive the Second Annointing, but they are not allowed to talk about it. I have a strong suspicion that my in-laws have received it.

And defenders say the LDS church isn't elitist? So the talk of a lowly nursery leader having access to the same blessings as a GA is bogus...that it's not how faithful you are; it's how far up the priesthood food chain you travel that's important to God? It's not your service or your faith or your devotion that counts, what counts is who you knew that could make it possible for you to get inside that inner circle.

No. Not my God. My God is no respector of persons. My God doesn't play favorites. If that's the way it is in this church, then that's not my God, that's someone else's God.