BYU Professor comes out as gay

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Re: BYU Professor comes out as gay

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Hi BCSpace,

I know and am friends with quite a few self-identified homosexuals of all stripes.


No you don't, I am not calling you a liar but are deceiving yourself. You don't know and are actual intimate friends if you still carry the incredibly naïve views about homosexuality that you have.

What does "all stripes" mean?

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This guy is on your side, bcspace. I'm not sure what you think will be gained by trivializing him and saying insulting, insensitive, ignorant things about him and those like him.[/quote]


You mean, insulting, insensitive, and ignorant things such as you've just said about me above?

Yes, I'll bet that's exactly what you mean.
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bcspace wrote:
This guy is on your side, bcspace.


Anyone who self identifies as homosexual is not on my side on this issue.



Why? He's only attracted to men. He can't help that. But he's completely celibate - a 41 year old virgin, and holds a temple recommend. He has a testimony of the church. Why do you rail against the saints?
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This guy is on your side, bcspace. I'm not sure what you think will be gained by trivializing him and saying insulting, insensitive, ignorant things about him and those like him.



You mean, insulting, insensitive, and ignorant things such as you've just said about me above?

Yes, I'll bet that's exactly what you mean.[/quote]
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Droopy wrote:
You mean, insulting, insensitive, and ignorant things such as you've just said about me above?

Yes, I'll bet that's exactly what you mean.


I haven't said anything remotely insulting to you in this thread. Outside this thread, sure.
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Anyone who self identifies as homosexual is not on my side on this issue.


So what if they self-identify as same gender attraction (SGA) folk?

Here's to hopin' this ain't just a semantics thing.
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stemelbow wrote:
Buffalo wrote:Have you ever considered coming out? I don't mean having a relationship with a man, but being openly gay in your ward.


I don't know about Droopy but most of us straight men have. I feel like doing it just to see the reaction and hopefully get a few people a little more familiar with it all. Shake things up a little.



And when you do, be sure to cover up the track marks on your arm.

And this is not as wacky as it gets here, not by a long shot.
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stemelbow wrote:
Anyone who self identifies as homosexual is not on my side on this issue.


So what if they self-identify as same gender attraction (SGA) folk?

Here's to hopin' this ain't just a semantics thing.



If he had said that he was "dealing with same sex attraction (SSA), or had a "homosexual orientation," that would have been one thing, but "coming out" as "gay" is perhaps indicative of deeper coming-to-terms with his SSA then might by though healthy, within a gospel context.

"Gay" is a term of accepted core self identity, acceptance or support for which the General Authorities, and especially Dallin Oaks, has counseled active LDS who deal with or counsel those with SSA to avoid when discussing such issues with others.

We should note that the words homosexual, lesbian, and gay are adjectives to describe particular thoughts, feelings, or behaviors. We should refrain from using these words as nouns to identify particular conditions or specific persons. Our religious doctrine dictates this usage. It is wrong to use these words to denote a condition, because this implies that a person is consigned by birth to a circumstance in which he or she has no choice in respect to the critically important matter of sexual behavior.


http://LDS.org/ensign/1995/10/same-gend ... osexuality

If bro. Wilcox has "come out" as "gay," then it would seem he has accepted wholly the idea of the essentialist "born that way" theory of homosexual orientation, within which homosexuality is not a complex feature of psycho-sexual development with any number of variables contributing to its ultimate manifestation, but a simple genes = homosexuality throwing up of the arms.

Homosexuality is, as Oaks correctly states, a body of "particular thoughts, feelings, or behaviors." "Gay" is a designation of core self identity; an assertion that the thoughts, and feelings attendant to SSA are primary and intrinsic.
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Have you ever considered coming out? I don't mean having a relationship with a man, but being openly gay in your ward.


Pretty sick, low, and base, Buffalo. Its the psychological analog of playing the race card.
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Droopy wrote:
Have you ever considered coming out? I don't mean having a relationship with a man, but being openly gay in your ward.


Pretty sick, low, and base, Buffalo. Its the psychological analog of playing the race card.


Could you explain to me what is "sick," "low," or "base" about this?
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