The Liberal Lie on Prop 8

[_Morley]

Its adorable to watch some get all worked up because LDS indoctrinate their kids with their beliefs, as if that's somehow bad, and then to see the LDS pro-prop 8 get all worked up because the anti-prop 8 folks wish to indictrinate a bit themselves, if indoctrinatin' is the correct way to view it anyway.

Sometimes its fun to find oneself somewhere in the middle of these two silly extremes.

Could you show me an anti-gay education bill pushed my our side?

I am sure you can show me one that insured students were taught in Sexual Education that homosexuality is a perversion.

'Don't say gay' bill passes in Tennessee Senate, would ban teachers from discussing homosexuality.

[_stemelbow]

Could you show me an anti-gay education bill pushed my our side?

What side are you asking me to go after here? The LDS side? the politically conservative side? The homophobe side?

I am sure you can show me one that insured students were taught in Sexual Education that homosexuality is a perversion.

You've put too much faith in me. I haven't looked much into it at all, so I can't show you much of anything. And I don't care.

As far as education goes, though, i do believe the APA came out with something not too long ago letting us uneducated know that homosexuality can't be cured and is most likely something ingrained into individuals. I can go with that. People are attracted to those of hte same sex. Someone's got to face that fact. Let's teach our kids why don't we?

[_Morley]

Could you show me an anti-gay education bill pushed my our side?

What side are you asking me to go after here? The LDS side? the politically conservative side? The homophobe side?

I am sure you can show me one that insured students were taught in Sexual Education that homosexuality is a perversion.

You've put too much faith in me. I haven't looked much into it at all, so I can't show you much of anything. And I don't care.

As far as education goes, though, i do believe the APA came out with something not too long ago letting us uneducated know that homosexuality can't be cured and is most likely something ingrained into individuals. I can go with that. People are attracted to those of hte same sex. Someone's got to face that fact. Let's teach our kids why don't we?

Thank you, Stem. As I say, this isn't "somewhere in the middle." It is a principled stand.

[_jskains]

As far as education goes, though, i do believe the APA came out with something not too long ago letting us uneducated know that homosexuality can't be cured and is most likely something ingrained into individuals. I can go with that. People are attracted to those of hte same sex. Someone's got to face that fact. Let's teach our kids why don't we?

APA has demonstrated political ideologies dominate their front. I'll get the quote, but one of them even admitted to reclassifying "gender confusion" so as to get insurance companies to pay for sex change operations.

I've never trusted or supported the APA, a liberal commie think-tank.

JMS

[_cinepro]

It has to do with Prop 8 because the Pro-Prop 8 community warned that educational indoctrination was next, and the anti-Prop 8, pro-homosexual groups said it was a lie. Yet, here we are, after they defeated the proposition (through legal action of course), they went straight for gay propaganda education, just as we all said would happen.

That's the connection.

JMS

Prop 8 has not been defeated. The California Supreme Court will hear the case against it later this year, and until then, it's provisions are upheld.

That being the case, are you saying things would be better with the Gay Education bill if there had been no Prop 8? Or if Prop 8 had lost? Or if it had not been challenged?

Right now, things are about as good for Prop 8 as they can be. It passed, and its being upheld until the Supreme Court makes a decision. So I still can't see what kind of connection there might be.

[_Buffalo]

APA has demonstrated political ideologies dominate their front. I'll get the quote, but one of them even admitted to reclassifying "gender confusion" so as to get insurance companies to pay for sex change operations.

I've never trusted or supported the APA, a liberal commie think-tank.

JMS

You don't go far enough. All PhD-level professionals and experts are part of the liberal commie plot! They keep opposing your ideology at every turn!

[_stemelbow]

APA has demonstrated political ideologies dominate their front. I'll get the quote, but one of them even admitted to reclassifying "gender confusion" so as to get insurance companies to pay for sex change operations.

I've never trusted or supported the APA, a liberal commie think-tank.

JMS

Well, then, have fun fighting them then. I just can't help to not buy into this type of stuff. Sorry. As I said, people are attracted to those of hte same sex. The number of such folks isn't some small insignificant figure. There are plenty of such people. I suppose we can think they are wrong, evil, disgusting, messed up or whatever we like, huh? But that doesn't make it all go away. It doesn't even address much of anything about them. They are just humans trying to make their way. You may think they can help their sexual orientation, but I simply don't buy such an assumption, if that is what you think. Anyway, if their are real people out there, genuinely dealing with this, then its probably not a bad idea to teach kids about it (they're going to face the reality of it someday). I'm quite certain if I learned about same sex attraction at school I wouldn't have turned gay. I don't see why it would change any other kids.

[_harmony]

You don't go far enough. All PhD-level professionals and experts are part of the liberal commie plot! They keep opposing your ideology at every turn!

Whoa. Has anyone told Daniel yet? I think he's operating under a different agenda.

[_Brackite]

Do you have a link to a news release about this?

Thanks.

California Gay History Law: Jerry Brown Signs Landmark Bill:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/1 ... 98745.html



Gov. Brown signs bill requiring teaching of gay accomplishments [Updated]:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/califor ... ments.html





How come the rich Mormons who donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to the Yes on 8 Campaign did Not donate hundreds of thousands of dollars to the Republican Nominee for Attorney General in California last election?????
The Republican Nominee for Attorney General in California basically stated that he would defend Proposition 8 during the Court Process. However, the Democratic Nominee for Attorney General, Kamala Harris basically stated during the campaign that she would totally refuse to defend Proposition 8 during the Court Process. Well what happened during the Attorney General race in California is that Democratic Candidate Kamala Harris ended up out spending her Republican opponent for Attorney General. Then came Election Day, and then came the day after Election Day. The Attorney General’s race was too close to call the day after Election Day. There were still about 1,000,000 absentee and provisional ballots yet to be counted to determine who would be California's next Attorney General. After several weeks of counting the absentee and provisional ballots, Democratic Candidate for Attorney General Kampala Harris ended up narrowing defeating her Republican opponent for Attorney General.
If the rich Mormons who donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to the Yes on 8 campaign also donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to the Republican Nominee for Attorney General in California, the Republican Candidate would have likely won the Attorney General seat in California. However, the rich Mormons failed to donate hundreds of thousands of dollars to his campaign, and now there is not anybody in legitimate standing able to defend Proposition 8 through the Court Process.



California Attorney General election, 2010:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California ... tion,_2010

Atty. Gen. Kamala Harris urges appeals court to permit same-sex marriage:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2 ... html?lanow

[_RAJ]

Prop 8 has not been defeated. The California Supreme Court will hear the case against it later this year, and until then, it's provisions are upheld.

That being the case, are you saying things would be better with the Gay Education bill if there had been no Prop 8? Or if Prop 8 had lost? Or if it had not been challenged?

Right now, things are about as good for Prop 8 as they can be. It passed, and its being upheld until the Supreme Court makes a decision. So I still can't see what kind of connection there might be.

Cinepro, I agree with your main argument, but a fine point with respect to the status of prop 8:

The ONLY thing we're waiting for from the California Supreme Court is an opinion on the issue of standing. Specifically, do the prop 8 proponents have it. Once they've weighed in, the 9th circuit can consider that input and continue with their deliberations. Prop 8 has been declared unconstitutional at the Federal District court level and the appeal was then argued in front of the 9th circuit. It remains at that level. The California Supreme Court has no more to say about the merits.