why me wrote: If you read the OP you will see that zee is rather proud of the talks that the little zees would like to give, including why one little zee hates the church. Hate is a pretty strong action word. So, we have a little zee hating the church, a church that this little zee used to attend. Where did the hatred come from? And how often have the little zees heard the parents say negative or hateful things against the Mormon church? And yes, it has been a joint decision between zee and his wife to teach such things.
It's as though you know nothing.
My parents loved church. I, quite naturally and without prompting, hated it. By your logic, I should have loved it just like my parents since it was a joint decision on their part to teach me to love it.
You shouldn't confuse the church's attempt to brainwash kids with a parent's desire to have their kids think critically. They're completely different.
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
Some Schmo wrote:You shouldn't confuse the church's attempt to brainwash kids with a parent's desire to have their kids think critically. They're completely different.
Maybe you could give me a definition of critical thinking. Critical thinking has been used over and over again, until it has become meaningless. Parents should encourage critical thinking in their children? In what regard? For example, should children critically think their way through rules parents have set for them and if they do critically think their way through the rules and disagree with the rule what then? Good parenting is about putting boundaries and rules for kids to follow. Critical thinking does not apply. A good church does the same. It puts guidelines and rules to follow. As did the god of the Bible.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Themis wrote:Bad parenting can be found within the church as well. I haven't seen anything to suggest that children of atheist or agnostic parents do worse then religious ones. I also understand that atheists make up a much smaller percentage of the jails then they do of the general population. Maybe they are worse, but just smarter at getting away with it. :)
No doubt about that. However, if one reads the links I have provided, one can see just where bad parenting is leading ameica to. No of course there are bad parents in the church but this has nothing to do with the advice the LDS church gives parents which is the opposite of what is found in the articles.
Teens are in trouble and much as to do with the lack of parenting and the values now in play throughout society.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
why me wrote: No of course there are bad parents in the church but this has nothing to do with the advice the LDS church gives parents which is the opposite of what is found in the articles.
Teens are in trouble and much as to do with the lack of parenting and the values now in play throughout society.
It's a problem for the whole of society. Good advice is coming from many sources on how to be a good parent.
LDSToronto wrote:Do you believe parents who are TBMs never put a spin on the truth claims to portray those claims favourably?
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All parents contribute in the socialization process of their children. And that was my point. Zee is in the process of doing this. He is engaged in the socialization process of processing them out of the church. His children did not come up with those talk topics in a bubble. To assume that his children are free now to make freer dicisions because they are out of the church is a mistake. Likewise for your children, depending on their age.
And the links that I have posted to show just how dangerous it is out there for teenagers prove what can happen to young people who have bad parenting traditions. However, exmos do have church teaching which they give their children even when they are exmos. The LDS church has given them a good foundation for parenting.
The links you gave are opinion pieces and in those opinions I didn't see anyone saying the LDS church was needed.
Say what you will about Zeez's kids, Why Me. They, at least, are being raised by a father and mother who stood by their principals even when it cost them dearly. They didn't just choose the side that was nicest to them.
The world is always full of the sound of waves..but who knows the heart of the sea, a hundred feet down? Who knows it's depth? ~ Eiji Yoshikawa
why me wrote:Teens are in trouble and much as to do with the lack of parenting and the values now in play throughout society.
Teens have always been in trouble, whether because of lack of parenting or other reasons.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.