Incestuous Male Rape in the Bible-Possible?

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Incestuous Male Rape in the Bible-Possible?

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In the Old Testament we find the disturbing story of Lot.

In Genesis 19 we learn that Lot is living at the gate of Sodom. Two angels visit him and the townsmen come to try and abuse the strangers. Well, Lot offers his two virgin daughters to be abused by the men instead. That was nice of him.

Then we all know how God was going to kill everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah and was warning Lot so that he could take his family and leave. Wife turned to look back and was turned into salt.

Fast forward a bit and we find Lot and his two virgin daughters in a cave together. Now, being virgins these daughters must have been young. I think it would be fair to say they would have been around 12 and 13. What is amazing is that these two young virgins were so knowledgable about sexual intercourse and ovulation.

31 And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:

32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

33 And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

34 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

35 And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.



Ok, it would be funny if it wasn't so sick and twisted. To me, this is obviously a story about how the "other tribe" was created.

How much wine would need to be ingested by a man to become so intoxicated that he CANNOT feel himself get raped or remember it happening BUT can still get an erection and ejaculate?
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I think it would be fair to say they would have been around 12 and 13. What is amazing is that these two young virgins were so knowledgable about sexual intercourse and ovulation.



Do you mind rehearsing your reasoning in thinking they were 12 and 13?

This is definitely one of the clearly disturbing things in the Old Testament. Who really thinks it all went down like that?
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stemelbow wrote:
I think it would be fair to say they would have been around 12 and 13. What is amazing is that these two young virgins were so knowledgable about sexual intercourse and ovulation.



Do you mind rehearsing your reasoning in thinking they were 12 and 13?

This is definitely one of the clearly disturbing things in the Old Testament. Who really thinks it all went down like that?


Just basing age on the fact that a girl could be married off as soon as she started menstruating. I've read things that say girls probably did between age 10-12 during that time. Marriage could be arranged anytime after that. Getting married between 12-14 was common, from what I have read. With most women dying by age 30 you had to get it done early and hope you didn't die giving birth.
We can make them older if you like.

Joseph Smith took the time to make changes to this chapter. He made it so that Lot did NOT offer his two untouched daughters to the mob. He did not change the daughters raping their father verses. So, my guess is that there are plenty of people who believe this is a literal telling of events. Of course, God would have had to have told Moses about it in order for it to be included.
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stemelbow wrote:
Do you mind rehearsing your reasoning in thinking they were 12 and 13?

This is definitely one of the clearly disturbing things in the Old Testament. Who really thinks it all went down like that?
Underlining mine.

How do you think it 'went down'?

edited to add: I always assumed they were late teens or early twenties.
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just me wrote:How much wine would need to be ingested by a man to become so intoxicated that he CANNOT feel himself get raped or remember it happening BUT can still get an erection and ejaculate?


Well I only started drinking and I have become black out drunk twice in the last year. Both times was when I knew I had someone sober around to take care of me and both times I didn't measure shots or count the amount of drinks. One of the times I went to my friends house with a 40 and I finished that in under 2 hours. I know I am learning and will never do that again.

Anyways, one time when I was blackout drunk my friends told me I took out my dick. Another friend said to me I put my arm around him and I said to him I was gay. I really can't imagine myself doing those things but really I don't know what happened those nights. Although, I am postive I did not get lucky because I was not coherent enough to do any of it. One of my friends video taped me while I was blackout drunk and there was no way I would have been able to have sex. The video was of me trying to get off of the map feature on my Iphone and I couldn't even do that.

Now maybe Lot was just one sick bastard that he wanted to have sex with his daughters? I know when I have gotten really drunk it is hard to tell if a girl is good looking. I would for sure know if they were my daughters though and that is just wrong and sick!
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I would for sure know if they were my daughters though and that is just wrong and sick!


Especially if you were in a cave alone with them and no one else for miles. Thanks for the personal experience. I really have been curious if it is biologically possible for a long time. Maybe someone could do a study for us.
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just me wrote:
I would for sure know if they were my daughters though and that is just wrong and sick!


Especially if you were in a cave alone with them and no one else for miles. Thanks for the personal experience. I really have been curious if it is biologically possible for a long time. Maybe someone could do a study for us.


Yeah, it's biologically possible.
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Morley wrote:
just me wrote:Especially if you were in a cave alone with them and no one else for miles. Thanks for the personal experience. I really have been curious if it is biologically possible for a long time. Maybe someone could do a study for us.


Yeah, it's biologically possible.


Wow. Hey, how much wine would it take to be drunk enough, but not too drunk?
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just me wrote:
Wow. Hey, how much wine would it take to be drunk enough, but not too drunk?


I hear wine drunk is pretty fun but I haven't tried getting drunk off of just wine yet. My friends tell me one bottle of wine is just about the perfect drunk.

To be honest Lots daughters would have been very successful with tequila shots. That is a really different type of drunk and it seems to make the girls go wild!
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just me wrote:
Morley wrote:
Yeah, it's biologically possible.


Wow. Hey, how much wine would it take to be drunk enough, but not too drunk?


I didn't keep track.
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