Several BYU Students Burned In Mine Shaft | Huffington Post

[_Jersey Girl]

Yep, I did report it.

edited to add: I wasn't complaining about the moderation, Shades. I was just commenting on how crazy posters have become since all this mess with Joseph.

Hold on just a sec, gramps. With all due respect, posters are not suddenly becoming "crazy" since Joseph started playing games with the board. I've known Ray for 11 years and there is nothing "crazy" about Ray.

I do not mean to speak for Ray, however knowing him for as long as I have, I think it safe to say that his posting of the PM was an act of civil disobedience just as when I posted PM content.

There is virtually no reason whatsoever for posters to send negative/attack/bullying/disrespectful/threatening messages to others behind the scenes. It is the act of one who clearly lacks the maturity and wherewithal to cut it on the board in full public view.

Let's say for example, that I read a critical comment that you posted to me on the board and I, for example, chose to send you a message behind the scenes telling you in essence to screw yourself.

Is there some reason I couldn't do that on the board?

Of course not. Insecure cowards do that, gramps, and there is no reason for posters to accept that conduct by those who intrude on the privacy of others because they are too gutless to hash out whatever it is on the board.

Universal Rule #3 suggests that private messages are sacred only for the sender of such messages, not the recipient. It protects those who hide their dirty behavior and doesn't provide for the recipient to disclose content publicly.

It makes posters into sitting ducks where jerks like a Joseph or a The Mormon Report are able to conduct nasty/negative/pestering business in secret.

For all the bitching on this board by ex-Mo's about how many truths were concealed from them by the church, I should think transparency would hold more value than it does for those who criticize posters for their public acts of civil disobedience in order to expose those who cowardly slither about behind the scenes wreaking mayhem and generally abusing the PM feature on this board.

My message to everyone...if you want to tell me to go “F” myself, do it in public, just don't expect me to keep your dirty little secrets.

[_Jersey Girl]

gramps,

Here is the condensed version of what I think Ray did and as I've said, I have known Ray for many years. It is not a matter of Ray being panicky or fearful. It was more of an "in your face" move on his part.

At least that is how I read it and I've been reading him a very long time.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Hello Moderators!

Wake up. More pm's getting posted.

Jesus, what a joke this is all becoming.

Did you report the posted PM?

If not, why not?

I did, Mr. "No pics because I'm a big pussy" Shades.

[_why me]

We were told on another thread that the reason the church still pours tithes into BYU is because the students there are the cream of the crop, and will be the standard bearers for generations to come. So really, MG... yes. I expect more from BYU students than standard stupid behavior of the age group. And since I haven't seen a press release about any other college students dropping gas bombs down abandoned mine shafts lately, I'm pretty confident that the Lord's university, repository of the tithes of the poor, who will likely
NEVER get to attend, looks pretty stupid also.

So you expect perfection from BYU students? Really? You hatred for BYU is duly noted. No student is perfect and students do dumb things all the time, each day of the week. These incidents don't get mentioned. But I have seen press releases of beer keg hazings and deaths etc. The press usually reports on things which they consider to be serious. And not young people doing foolish things.

[_Baker]

We were told on another thread that the reason the church still pours tithes into BYU is because the students there are the cream of the crop, and will be the standard bearers for generations to come. So really, MG... yes. I expect more from BYU students than standard stupid behavior of the age group. And since I haven't seen a press release about any other college students dropping gas bombs down abandoned mine shafts lately, I'm pretty confident that the Lord's university, repository of the tithes of the poor, who will likely
NEVER get to attend, looks pretty stupid also.

So you expect perfection from BYU students? Really? You hatred for BYU is duly noted. No student is perfect and students do dumb things all the time, each day of the week. These incidents don't get mentioned. But I have seen press releases of beer keg hazings and deaths etc. The press usually reports on things which they consider to be serious. And not young people doing foolish things.

You do realize the irony in your post. The church itself expects perfection, at least insofar as the Honor Code goes, and deems violating students unworthy of benefiting from the tithes of the church for their education - absent an act of mercy on the part of the administration.

[_harmony]

You do realize the irony in your post. The church itself expects perfection, at least insofar as the Honor Code goes, and deems violating students unworthy of benefiting from the tithes of the church for their education - absent an act of mercy on the part of the administration.

I don't think the Honor Code covers stupid. Stupid is okay, as long as sex isn't involved.

[_RayAgostini]

Hold on just a sec, gramps. With all due respect, posters are not suddenly becoming "crazy" since Joseph started playing games with the board. I've known Ray for 11 years and there is nothing "crazy" about Ray.

I do not mean to speak for Ray, however knowing him for as long as I have, I think it safe to say that his posting of the PM was an act of civil disobedience just as when I posted PM content.

There is virtually no reason whatsoever for posters to send negative/attack/bullying/disrespectful/threatening messages to others behind the scenes. It is the act of one who clearly lacks the maturity and wherewithal to cut it on the board in full public view.

Let's say for example, that I read a critical comment that you posted to me on the board and I, for example, chose to send you a message behind the scenes telling you in essence to screw yourself.

Is there some reason I couldn't do that on the board?

Of course not. Insecure cowards do that, gramps, and there is no reason for posters to accept that conduct by those who intrude on the privacy of others because they are too gutless to hash out whatever it is on the board.

Universal Rule #3 suggests that private messages are sacred only for the sender of such messages, not the recipient. It protects those who hide their dirty behavior and doesn't provide for the recipient to disclose content publicly.

It makes posters into sitting ducks where jerks like a Joseph or a The Mormon Report are able to conduct nasty/negative/pestering business in secret.

For all the bitching on this board by ex-Mo's about how many truths were concealed from them by the church, I should think transparency would hold more value than it does for those who criticize posters for their public acts of civil disobedience in order to expose those who cowardly slither about behind the scenes wreaking mayhem and generally abusing the PM feature on this board.

My message to everyone...if you want to tell me to go f*** myself, do it in public, just don't expect me to keep your dirty little secrets.

You got that totally right, my friend.

[_harmony]

Ignore works on the PM system too.

Just sayin'...

[_Jersey Girl]

Ignore works on the PM system too.

Just sayin'...

Hey harm,

When you say "ignore" are you referring to the "foe" feature?

[_Joseph]

With any luck at all they will all be prosecuted for making illegal incindiary devices.
Not only are these kids criminals... they are stupid criminals.

Some Prison time or a year in the County Jail would be appropriate.

http://le.utah.gov/~code/TITLE76/htm/76_10_030600.htm

iii) any incendiary bomb, grenade, fire bomb, chemical bomb, or similar device, including any device, except kerosene lamps, if criminal intent has not been established, which consists of or includes a breakable container including a flammable liquid or compound and a wick composed of any material which, when ignited, is capable of igniting the flammable liquid or compound or any breakable container which consists of, or includes a chemical mixture that explodes with fire or force and can be carried, thrown, or placed.


(3) Any person is guilty of a second degree felony who, under circumstances not amounting to a violation of Title 76, Chapter 10, Part 4, Weapons of Mass Destruction,
knowingly, intentionally, or recklessly possesses or controls an explosive, chemical, or incendiary device.
(4) Any person is guilty of a first degree felony who, under circumstances not amounting to a violation of Title 76, Chapter 10, Part 4, Weapons of Mass Destruction, knowingly or intentionally:
(a) uses or causes to be used an explosive, chemical, or incendiary device in the commission of or an attempt to commit a felony;
(b) injures another or attempts to injure another person or another person's property through the use of an explosive, chemical, or incendiary device; or
(c) transports, possesses, distributes, or sells any explosive, chemical, or incendiary device in a secure area established pursuant to Section 76-8-311.1, 76-8-311.3, 76-10-529, or 78A-2-203.