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[_Infymus]

As Red would say, Joseph, you're a

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I'd do Peterson, but his head is too big.

[_RayAgostini]

Here are my thoughts about images:

Joseph or no Joseph, the fact of the matter is that we WERE shut down for a spell thanks to the SeattleGhostWriter incident. If images had been disabled from the beginning, it wouldn't've happened.

Another undeniable fact is that pictures have often been used as a bludgeon or a Sword of Damocles in order to intimidate other posters. I'll probably never forget the constant, obsessive posting and re-posting of an image that people claimed to be of Simon Belmont. I'd've rather just avoided all that extra time and headache from the beginning.

Yet a third undeniable fact is that images are quite often posted to the wrong Forum. Specifically, people seem to love posting sexualized photos or pictures containing swear words in the Terrestrial Forum instead of the Telestial Forum, where they belong. I'm pretty sure that the rationale is that a moderator will just move it later, which doesn't fly.

A fourth fact is that often people post ENORMOUS photos that cause a horizontal scroll bar to appear. That's a pain, too.

So, from a moderator's standpoint pictures have quite often been more trouble than they're worth.

Now on to the copyright issue.

Even if Everybody Wang Chung is 100% correct and we'd win any lawsuit that came our way, that offers me precious little comfort. The idea is to not go to court at all. Even if one is 100% sure that one is in the right and will win any and all court cases, who wants to bother with all that time, hassle, and headache? I certainly don't.

When it comes to DMCA takedown notices, even if there are countermeasures available to us and even if we can sue anyone who issues one in less than good faith, that too offers me precious little comfort, since it will involve having the board shut down for X number of days in the interim. As before, the idea is to not get shut down at all.

People have called for banning Joseph, but he's acted as the voice of warning, telling us what could happen (regardless of his tenor). He hasn't broken any rules that I can see. My feeling is that if he starts criticizing you over whether you own the copyright of an image you posted, the correct response would be to just take the image down rather than argue with him. Likelihood of litigation doesn't alter legality.

The last time I reinstated images, Polygamy-Porter almost immediately posted two photos taken directly from the Deseret News. Clearly the copyright belongs to them, opening us up to legal unpleasantries (regarless of the likelihood thereof). So before I can even THINK of reinstating them, Polygamy-Porter will have to swear in blood that he'll never post a photo published in the Deseret News again.

Also, Simon Belmont has stated, point-blank, that he will post Joseph's brother's photos here just as soon as he can. Well, Joseph's brother obviously owns the copyright to those photos, so odds are that we'll get another DMCA takedown notice, and thus get shut down, just as soon as Simon does so. Ergo, in this case as well, I can't even THINK of reinstating images until Simon Belmont swears on his life that he will not post any photos that are the legal property of Joseph's brother (or Joseph himself, for that matter).

I think that explanation is sufficient. Technically, by the rules of the board, he has not committed a banning offence. But there was at least one previous banning of a person who, "technically", did not commit a banning offence either. Unless you can correct me on that.

[_honorentheos]

...it's more about what kind of place this is, not that it goes down for a week due to some hick.

Excellent point, Stak. Another reason I see the rush to conform over a cause based on inconvenience interesting.

To me, there is a bigger question - what manner of wo/men ought ye to be? If adversity (which would be a sad comment on the board to call this issue such) reveals a person to themselves, then what?

Shades has said why he has an issue. I don't believe he has a problem with images, just the consequences of people misusing them. If the board, overall, cares more about a non-issue than Shade's concern, what does that say about the board?

[_Joseph]

http://webnet77.com/webstuff/copyright.html

Most fair use situations involve text. It is difficult to imagine any situation involving the Internet where someone copying a photo could claim the fair use defense. In typical infringement activities, such as unauthorized posting to Usenet, stocking websites from Usenet trolling, scanning from Playboy magazine, or simply copying from other websites-the fair use doctrine does not apply. Because the pirate is taking 100% of the work, not acknowledging the creator, hurting the work's market value, competing directly with the creator or licensed users of the work, and for other reasons.

So if you are a photo pirate, do not even think about the fair use doctrine. In your context it is a myth. Your lawyer will laugh at you, and the judge might not have a sense of humor where thievery is concerned.

[_RayAgostini]

Most fair use situations involve text. It is difficult to imagine any situation involving the Internet where someone copying a photo could claim the fair use defense.

Most here are tried of you. How far do you take this "fair use" defense? What was the outcome of your intention to report my usage in This thread?

I challenged you to report that usage. What was the outcome?

You are just a total fanatical fool.

[_RayAgostini]

People have called for banning Joseph, but he's acted as the voice of warning, telling us what could happen (regardless of his tenor).

How long has Mormon Discussions been online? How many DMCA orders has it been subjected to in the last six years? Connect the dots.

A comet striking earth "could" happen tomorrow, too. Why are you so protective of Joseph?

[_Joseph]

well agony, it must be difficult to be so stupid.

You are the type to deliberately post photos that will cause problems.

WHY?

We already know you are not honest. We already know you don't care if the site has problems due to your oversized ego - what shortcoming are you compensating for?

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

A comet striking earth "could" happen tomorrow, too. Why are you so protective of Joseph?

No kidding. It's bizarre.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Shades is big pussy.

Grow a pair, dude.

[_Dr. Shades]

Shades is big pussy.

Grow a pair, dude.

I reinstate images, and this is how you repay me?