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I am reminded of a documentary I watched about 15 years ago.
There was a scientist that was claiming the T-Rex was a scavenger. He had quite a bit of evidence that seemed to support this. The ratio of femur to tibia indicated it couldn't run very fast, but was better suited for long distances, the olfactory cavity was enormous while the eye sockets were smaller, which meant the T-Rex relied much more on smell than sight... there were about 10 other things they went into which I can't remember off hand.
He said that his theories were being discounted simply because the scientists of the day were brought up with the notion that T-Rex was a ferocious hunter! He kept saying, "I'm fine with this view, just show me the evidence to support it!"
After 15 years, the current view of the T-Rex has shifted to that of a scavenger.
So, while it's fair to say that bias can grip a single individuals logical thinking and hold it hostage for a time, the evidences will eventually sway the scientific community at large.
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A much more difficult claim to swallow is the idea that 99.9% of scientists are evil liars hell-bent on a global conspiracy to make young earthers look like ignoramuses - as if that required a conspiracy.
And we were doing so well. Ah well, you just can't help yourself I suppose.
Hoops, you just proved my point about YEC's tending to want it both ways: they love saying that 99.9% of science and the scientific experts are wrong, and refuse to listen to what is even more reasonable--namely, that it is the other .1% who are wrong.
You just discounted the fact that the vast majority of scientists are against YEC, but then you brought up one scientist who is a YEC. Again, YEC's love to discount the majority in favor of the .1%.
Huh? I don't recall doing any such thing. for what it's worth, Of cours I realize that the vast majority of scientists are evolutionists. And the vast majority that are not are some sort of I.D./Evolutionists. And this can probably segmented in other ways as well. With the smallest sliver being YEC. I get that. I'm not sure what i want both ways.
A much more difficult claim to swallow is the idea that 99.9% of scientists are evil liars hell-bent on a global conspiracy to make young earthers look like ignoramuses - as if that required a conspiracy.
And we were doing so well. Ah well, you just can't help yourself I suppose.
Can you describe your thoughts on the conspiracy? Perhaps I've misrepresented your views.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
A much more difficult claim to swallow is the idea that 99.9% of scientists are evil liars hell-bent on a global conspiracy to make young earthers look like ignoramuses - as if that required a conspiracy.
And we were doing so well. Ah well, you just can't help yourself I suppose.
Wait... you bring up a well respected nuclear scientist as a testimony that YEC is somehow completely valid and justified, but you're dismayed by THIS response?? Bizarre.
Buffalo has a valid point, Hoops.
Again, it's the strange notion that because somebody is a very well and respected member of the scientific community in a very specific field, that somehow his expertise in a completely different field should be counted as more valid than the actual scientists who study those different fields? Why on earth would you trust a nuclear scientists word on carbon dating and earth sciences???
That would be akin to me saying that my dentist, who is a very smart man AND a Dr of dentistry, says that nuclear fission is impossible! The sun is ACTUALLY borrowing light from another star!!!
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Hoops, you just proved my point about YEC's tending to want it both ways: they love saying that 99.9% of science and the scientific experts are wrong, and refuse to listen to what is even more reasonable--namely, that it is the other .1% who are wrong.
You just discounted the fact that the vast majority of scientists are against YEC, but then you brought up one scientist who is a YEC. Again, YEC's love to discount the majority in favor of the .1%.
Huh? I don't recall doing any such thing. for what it's worth, Of cours I realize that the vast majority of scientists are evolutionists. And the vast majority that are not are some sort of I.D./Evolutionists. And this can probably segmented in other ways as well. With the smallest sliver being YEC. I get that. I'm not sure what i want both ways.
I don't understand what you're telling me.
Hoops,
After I told you that 99.9% of scientists do not believe in YEC, you stated that, "Nonetheless, is science up for majority vote? What do your numbers have to do with anything?". You then immediately brought up the fact that you personally know a scientist that is a YEC.
Put simply, you discounted the vast majority over the .1%. That is exactly what many YEC's do.
Hoops, you haven't told me if you are a YEC, despite me previously asking. Are you a YEC? If so, would you please share some evidence which you feel supports your position? Thanks in advance.
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After I told you that 99.9% of scientists do not believe in YEC, you stated that, "Nonetheless, is science up for majority vote? What do your numbers have to do with anything?". You then immediately brought up the fact that you personally know a scientist that is a YEC.
Put simply, you discounted the vast majority over the .1%. That is exactly what many YEC's do.
Yes, I see now. Sorry. Okay... well of course YEC's are discounting the vast majority of scientific opinion. When one takes a position that is unpopular, whether reasonably or not, that puts one in the minority. so, yes, YEC's are discounting the 99.9 who disagree. So..... what of it? What does that prove? That YECs are outside the mainstream? I think any of them would readily agree to that.
Hoops, you haven't told me if you are a YEC, despite me previously asking. Are you a YEC?
I am leaning that way.
If so, would you please share some evidence which you feel supports your position? Thanks in advance