Young Earth Frustration

[_stemelbow]

Here, read the wiki on eternity. It talks about the concept. Maybe that will help make sense of it for you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternity

Hey Just me. I don't see how this link is to help me resolve the issues I've raised. Here's a quote from your link:

" A series of moments that has begun and not ended cannot be eternal, because even if it were to continue for the rest of (infinite) time, there would still be time prior to the initial moment in the series. The series of moments could not ever exist for all eternity because no matter what happened during the series of moments, nothing would ever cause the series of moments to have existed since the beginning of "eternity", and thus could never achieve the status of eternal or even potentially eternal."

It seems to confirm my point--the point in which I raised to Hoops showing my disagreement with her.

If there is something in the link that resolves the issues I've raised, then by all means, I'm all ears (or eyes).

[_Runtu]

Hey Just me. I don't see how this link is to help me resolve the issues I've raised. Here's a quote from your link:

" A series of moments that has begun and not ended cannot be eternal, because even if it were to continue for the rest of (infinite) time, there would still be time prior to the initial moment in the series. The series of moments could not ever exist for all eternity because no matter what happened during the series of moments, nothing would ever cause the series of moments to have existed since the beginning of "eternity", and thus could never achieve the status of eternal or even potentially eternal."

It seems to confirm my point--the point in which I raised to Hoops showing my disagreement with her.

If there is something in the link that resolves the issues I've raised, then by all means, I'm all ears (or eyes).

The only thing your quote confirms to me is that you view time as linear. Eternity, presumably, is not linear. Sometimes people speak of eternity as everything being in the present. I used to think that's what Joseph Smith was talking about when he used his famous "one eternal round" ring analogy. Cut the ring in half, and you have a beginning and an end. But there is no end to a ring or circle.

In my Mormon days, I imagined Eternity as a great, expanding circle, with God at the center. He could see everything from His position, and it was all present. For us, we might simply occupy a ray in that expanding circle, and thus time appears linear.

I haven't thought about this stuff in quite a while. But suffice it to say, eternity doesn't make sense only if you conceive of time as having a beginning and end.

[_Runtu]

See. all it took was a cogent, reasonable, well-thought out response and you were swayed.

For me, I just haven't seen anyone make a decent case for a young earth. There are just too many overlapping and corroborating pieces of evidence that I would have to set aside. I would have to have an extremely good reason to do that, and so far, I haven't seen it. It seems to me that the reason for asserting a young-earth creation is the belief that one must accept the Biblical creation story literally. I don't see the need for that, obviously, so there's very little reason for me to accept a young earth.

[_Hoops]

See. all it took was a cogent, reasonable, well-thought out response and you were swayed.

For me, I just haven't seen anyone make a decent case for a young earth. There are just too many overlapping and corroborating pieces of evidence that I would have to set aside. I would have to have an extremely good reason to do that, and so far, I haven't seen it. It seems to me that the reason for asserting a young-earth creation is the belief that one must accept the Biblical creation story literally. I don't see the need for that, obviously, so there's very little reason for me to accept a young earth.

One element, as I understand it, is that its not so much that there is evidence for YEC, rather that the same evidence can be interpreted as supporting YEC.

[_Buffalo]

One element, as I understand it, is that its not so much that there is evidence for YEC, rather that the same evidence can be interpreted as supporting YEC.

No, it can't.

Or rather it can, but not honestly or intelligently.

[_Runtu]

One element, as I understand it, is that its not so much that there is evidence for YEC, rather that the same evidence can be interpreted as supporting YEC.

I honestly can't imagine how. A great number of processes would have to be sped up exponentially (and in concert) to account for a young earth. The likelihood of that is beyond infinitesimal.

[_Hoops]

No, it can't.

Or rather it can, but not honestly or intelligently.

Interesting timing here. I was just wondering why it is that criticism (I've yet to find an example of one that does not do this) of YEC is riddled with sarcasm and ridicule. Not of the ideas, just the people that have them.

What are you so afraid of?

[_Buffalo]

No, it can't.

Or rather it can, but not honestly or intelligently.

Interesting timing here. I was just wondering why it is that criticism (I've yet to find an example of one that does not do this) of YEC is riddled with sarcasm and ridicule. Not of the ideas, just the people that have them.

What are you so afraid of?

I think you'll find that criticism of Flat Earth ideas has the same tone. Why is that, do you think? Are people afraid, deep deep down, that the earth really is flat?

[_Scottie]

Interesting timing here. I was just wondering why it is that criticism (I've yet to find an example of one that does not do this) of YEC is riddled with sarcasm and ridicule. Not of the ideas, just the people that have them.

What are you so afraid of?

Hoops, you haven't told me if you are a YEC, despite me previously asking. Are you a YEC? If so, would you please share some evidence which you feel supports your position? Thanks in advance.

No

Irony. I love it.

[_Hoops]

Irony. I love it.

Quite