CSA wrote:I do believe that those who are designated to follow God's command, must do so. That these choice individuals may have some of their very free agency taken away from them to fulfill a greater purpose. To not do as God commands is a greater sin.
God was pretty clear about his commandment to Joseph, as laid out in D&C 132. I'm not sure why you think he was commanded to violate that revelation, but OK.
Again, if you think it's fine to sleep with other women and conceal it from your wife (and their husbands), more power to you. I disagree.
Runtu wrote:Again, if you think it's fine to sleep with other women and conceal it from your wife (and their husbands), more power to you. I disagree.
And you are simply looking to argue your point by suggesting that I think it is okay to do what is considered morally wrong. If God commanded you to bind your child and kill, like Abraham, you first better be sure that it is God that is commanding you to do this. And if it is God who is commanding you to do it, you probably should not hesitate, regardless if your moral compass tells you that it is wrong.
Runtu wrote:Again, if you think it's fine to sleep with other women and conceal it from your wife (and their husbands), more power to you. I disagree.
And you are simply looking to argue your point by suggesting that I think it is okay to do what is considered morally wrong. If God commanded you to bind your child and kill, like Abraham, you first better be sure that it is God that is commanding you to do this. And if it is God who is commanding you to do it, you probably should not hesitate, regardless if your moral compass tells you that it is wrong.
Frankly, that's a sick and perverted idea.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
CSA wrote:And you are simply looking to argue your point by suggesting that I think it is okay to do what is considered morally wrong. If God commanded you to bind your child and kill, like Abraham, you first better be sure that it is God that is commanding you to do this. And if it is God who is commanding you to do it, you probably should not hesitate, regardless if your moral compass tells you that it is wrong.
I've never understood this approach. God gives us our conscience (the Light of Christ), but he tests us by commanding us to do things that the Light of Christ tells us we shouldn't do.
Weird.
I am really glad I don't have to justify this kind of stuff anymore. Makes my stomach hurt reading it.
Runtu wrote: I've never understood this approach. God gives us our conscience (the Light of Christ), but he tests us by commanding us to do things that the Light of Christ tells us we shouldn't do.
Weird.
I am really glad I don't have to justify this kind of stuff anymore. Makes my stomach hurt reading it.
How many do kill their kids and other atrocities because they were sure God commanded them to? This is a very poor excuse to defend Joseph's bad behavior with.
Themis wrote:How many do kill their kids and other atrocities because they were sure God commanded them to? This is a very poor excuse to defend Joseph's bad behavior with.
I guess we can give the Laffertys a pass. They were just doing what God commanded.
CSA wrote: And you are simply looking to argue your point by suggesting that I think it is okay to do what is considered morally wrong. If God commanded you to bind your child and kill, like Abraham, you first better be sure that it is God that is commanding you to do this. And if it is God who is commanding you to do it, you probably should not hesitate, regardless if your moral compass tells you that it is wrong.
And there you have it. When Joseph Smith said to Nancy Rigdon in order to persuade her to marry him that happiness was the design of our existence and what God says is wrong at one point he may say is a ok my thought is well I better be damn sure the man saying God is telling him that what was once wrong is now right is really speaking for God.
So how does one know that? Well look at the pattern and behavior of the person making to fantastical claims of supernatural intervention. Can you trust them? After studying JSs history extensively I have to sadly say no, it is hard for me to trust him.
Jason Bourne wrote:So how does one know that? Well look at the pattern and behavior of the person making to fantastical claims of supernatural intervention. Can you trust them? After studying JSs history extensively I have to sadly say no, it is hard for me to trust him.
If I were looking at this purely rationally, I would completely agree with you. Joseph's pattern of behavior does not engender trust. But for me, at one point I would have been OK with it had God told me it was OK. Since that didn't happen (in fact the opposite), I see no reason to accept Joseph's claim of an angel with a sword as being anything other than a coercive tool to get women to marry him.
CSA wrote:And you are simply looking to argue your point by suggesting that I think it is okay to do what is considered morally wrong. If God commanded you to bind your child and kill, like Abraham, you first better be sure that it is God that is commanding you to do this. And if it is God who is commanding you to do it, you probably should not hesitate, regardless if your moral compass tells you that it is wrong.
I've never understood this approach. God gives us our conscience (the Light of Christ), but he tests us by commanding us to do things that the Light of Christ tells us we shouldn't do.
Weird.
I am really glad I don't have to justify this kind of stuff anymore. Makes my stomach hurt reading it.
Yes, I'm not sure how being willing to go against the "light of Christ" could in any way be construed as passing a test - at least not a test from God.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.