An Insiders View Of Mormon Origins...

[_Daniel Peterson]

If you agreed with his teachings, why wouldn't you defend them?

I agree with most of Joseph Smith's teachings (e.g., three degrees of glory, the necessity of temple work, even -- yes -- the divine origin of nineteenth-century plural marriage) because I'm convinced that he was a prophet, not because I worked my way through to such things on my own and then (what good luck!) happened to find a fellow who taught them.

You demonstrated that Joseph didn't feel much in the way of romantic love toward these women. That says nothing at all about lust.

How much romantic love does a man feel toward a prostitute he hires for an hour or two?

Is the behavior depicted in Dark Helmet's alleged witticism what you understand by "romance"?

If so . . . well . . . I think I'd better not comment.

I thought it pretty clear that Dark Helmet's alleged witticism was about lust.

I was responding to his alleged witticism.

But no, while we're at it, I don't imagine that there are too many johns who hire a prostitute, do the negotiating, fork over the money, and then, having shaken hands with her to confirm the deal, sit down at a desk and send the prostitute straight home.

[_DarkHelmet]

If you agreed with his teachings, why wouldn't you defend them?

I agree with most of Joseph Smith's teachings (e.g., three degrees of glory, the necessity of temple work, even -- yes -- the divine origin of nineteenth-century plural marriage) because I'm convinced that he was a prophet, not because I worked my way through to such things on my own and then (what good luck!) happened to find a fellow who taught them.

Do you believe the Book of Mormon is true because you believe Joseph Smith was a prophet?

[_Buffalo]

You demonstrated that Joseph didn't feel much in the way of romantic love toward these women. That says nothing at all about lust.

How much romantic love does a man feel toward a prostitute he hires for an hour or two?

Is the behavior depicted in Dark Helmet's alleged witticism what you understand by "romance"?

If so . . . well . . . I think I'd better not comment.

I thought it pretty clear that Dark Helmet's alleged witticism was about lust.

I was responding to his alleged witticism.

But no, while we're at it, I don't imagine that there are too many johns who hire a prostitute, do the negotiating, fork over the money, and then, having shaken hands with her to confirm the deal, sit down at a desk and send the prostitute straight home.

Why Daniel, I didn't know you were "sex denier." Are you saying Joseph didn't later have carnal relations with any of these young ladies? Or are you saying he wasn't lustful because he didn't have sex with them during the ceremony?

[Guest]

Do you believe the Book of Mormon is true because you believe Joseph Smith was a prophet?

I think the Book of Mormon is one of the pieces of evidence pointing to his prophethood. I believe what it has to say because I believe he was a prophet and that it is true scripture.

Why Daniel, I didn't know you were "sex denier."

I said nothing whatever about that issue.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/eisegesis

Are you saying Joseph didn't later have carnal relations with any of these young ladies?

I've said nothing about that subject one way or the other.

Or are you saying he wasn't lustful because he didn't have sex with them during the ceremony?

Have you troubled yourself to read Dark Helmet's alleged witticism?

I was responding to that alleged witticism.

[_harmony]

Are you saying Joseph didn't later have carnal relations with any of these young ladies? Or are you saying he wasn't lustful because he didn't have sex with them during the ceremony?

It's difficult imagine carnal relations without lust.

[_just me]

Are you saying Joseph didn't later have carnal relations with any of these young ladies? Or are you saying he wasn't lustful because he didn't have sex with them during the ceremony?

It's difficult imagine carnal relations without lust.

It's difficult to imagine marrying your neighbors wife without first coveting.

[_Daniel Peterson]

It's difficult to imagine marrying your neighbors wife without first coveting.

And yet . . .

Well, obviously some find this subject much easier to discuss without the burden of historical evidence.

I'll try not to disturb them. For the moment, at least.

[_DarkHelmet]

It's difficult imagine carnal relations without lust.

It's difficult to imagine marrying your neighbors wife without first coveting.

But if you believe Joseph smith was a prophet it all makes sense.

[_schreech]

And yet . . .

Well, obviously some find this subject much easier to discuss without the burden of historical evidence.

I'll try not to disturb them. For the moment, at least.

So Joe didn't marry his neighbor's wives? Which "historical evidence" would make this subject more difficult to discuss? Again, you are typing gibberish....

[_Daniel Peterson]

But if you believe Joseph smith was a prophet it all makes sense.

See? A little caricature, a lot of historical ignorance, et voilà!

It's so easy!