harmony wrote:Then comment on my views, and don't mention "spiritually" at all. Because you don't know me "spiritually" at all.
I wasn't commenting on your "spirituality." You've misunderstood what I said. Don't take offense where none was intended.
If I were to say that Jack was born British, but, spiritually, was always an Irishman, I'm probably not commenting on his "spirituality." More than likely, I'm talking about his love for blarney and for Guinness.
just me wrote:Obviously, I feel that Pioneer Day would be something more than 1% of the posters here would be interested in seeing as it is a Mormon discussion board. LOL
I wish I could share some of my pioneer stories without giving away my in real life identity.
I loved Pioneer Day or Days of '47 or Covered Wagon Days (as they were once known). I have no pioneer stories, but I do have this:
and I can't tell how I got it without giving away my in real life identity, either....
What, /img is back?
I like the pin...I am a collector of pins. The DH built me a nice cabinet to hold them and everything.
Being a Christian is not the result of an ethical choice or a lofty idea, but the encounter with an event, a person, which gives life a new horizon and a decisive direction -Pope Benedict XVI
I'm descended from those pioneers who walked and walked and walked and walked
and walked.
Being a Christian is not the result of an ethical choice or a lofty idea, but the encounter with an event, a person, which gives life a new horizon and a decisive direction -Pope Benedict XVI
Daniel Peterson wrote:I was responding to harmony, not to you.
It sounds as if she's much more inclined to take the statement as the full gospel truth even than you are. Which, sadly, doesn't surprise me.
harmony wrote:my membership in the LDS church makes me as Mormon as you.
Your virtual rejection of Joseph Smith, your dislike of the Doctrine and Covenants, your vitriolic contempt for the leadership of the Church, and etc., and etc., make you, spiritually at least, something rather like a Bickertonite.
Except that I doubt that most Bickertonites hate Utah and BYU as much as you do.
Happy Pioneer Day.
Mormons say I'm an apostate. I say, Mormonism is heretical. Once we're past that, we get along alright.
Being a Christian is not the result of an ethical choice or a lofty idea, but the encounter with an event, a person, which gives life a new horizon and a decisive direction -Pope Benedict XVI
Infymus wrote:I was always a third class citizen in the Mormon Church. I was a convert, which put me at the bottom rung. I had no family that was generational Mormon and I wasn't born in the church which meant I had noses thumbed at me.
The 24th is just another day off with pay - as long as the company is Utah owned, and that's good enough for me.
What? The Mormons are celebrating their running away from their issues? That they were kicked out of everywhere they stayed because they felt they were the one and only chosen people? That their leader sent them out in handcarts during the worst part of the year?
And I get a day off for that?
My DH calls the holiday cinco de momo.....his work doesn't pay for the day off, neither does mine. We're in UT.
Being a Christian is not the result of an ethical choice or a lofty idea, but the encounter with an event, a person, which gives life a new horizon and a decisive direction -Pope Benedict XVI
Nobody seems to notice that the pioneers get all the credit, even though the Mormon Battalion marched three times as far, completely on foot and without the benefit of covered wagons.
Of course, no one will tell you that this is because most of the Mormon Battalion apostatized when they discovered that Brigham Young pocketed their paychecks instead of feeding and housing their wives and children who were left behind in Winter Quarters.
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"
Dr. Shades wrote:Of course, no one will tell you that this is because most of the Mormon Battalion apostatized when they discovered that Brigham Young pocketed their paychecks instead of feeding and housing their wives and children who were left behind in Winter Quarters.
How dare you say that! Brigham was an upstanding man! A true prophet! A giant of a man of God!
Just ask Daniel. I am a horrible person for despising Brigham. I suspect I shall never recover from the melancholy.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
Dr. Shades wrote:Nobody seems to notice that the pioneers get all the credit, even though the Mormon Battalion marched three times as far, completely on foot and without the benefit of covered wagons.
Of course, no one will tell you that this is because most of the Mormon Battalion apostatized when they discovered that Brigham Young pocketed their paychecks instead of feeding and housing their wives and children who were left behind in Winter Quarters.
Without old people, infants, and pregnant women. Just sayin...
Dr. Shades wrote:Nobody seems to notice that the pioneers get all the credit, even though the Mormon Battalion marched three times as far, completely on foot and without the benefit of covered wagons.
Of course, no one will tell you that this is because most of the Mormon Battalion apostatized when they discovered that Brigham Young pocketed their paychecks instead of feeding and housing their wives and children who were left behind in Winter Quarters.
Maybe he was trying to build a mall.
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."
Dr. Shades wrote:Nobody seems to notice that the pioneers get all the credit, even though the Mormon Battalion marched three times as far, completely on foot and without the benefit of covered wagons.
That's right. The way the Church has tried to suppress mention of the Mormon Battalion is nothing short of criminal. The campaign has been successful, though, and virtually nobody remembers them any more:
