Fox Advocacy Group Declares Romney Non-Christian

[_jon]

Reading this reminds me how religion is lame. Religion used to help explain difficult questions like why mountains exist and whether I will catch a deer for dinner. Now what is it? An entrance to a social club? The people quoted in the OP sound silly and childish. What a shameful waste of energy.

You might try understanding what religion actually is, and what it is trying to be, before declaring it lame.

Religion is not what Christ taught. I don't think Jesus would affiliate with any religion. He'd just spend time helping people - I think there's a lesson there somewhere...

[_Daniel Peterson]

Then, once again, Ms. Jack, Goodbye!

(I find your characterization of my posts on this thread exceedingly odd, but I think there's no point in discussing it.)

What a strange reply!

The strain and stress of defending the indefensible appears to be taking its toll on you.

Whatever.

Look at the bright side, at least you managed to avoid, thanks to MsJack, what would have surely have been the worst PR disaster in the history of FARMS: publishing the nonsensical “work”

You haven't demonstrated it to be "nonsensical."

(Or should I say that "You" haven't.)

someone who is probably the most vulgar and repulsive poster in the history of online Mormon discussions.

What a ridiculous exaggeration.

For you to make such a claim on this board, of all places, makes it impossible to take you seriously.

[_MsJack]

Then, once again, Ms. Jack, Goodbye!

See you tomorrow!

[_Daniel Peterson]

their very foundation is based on a claim that what all of Christianity professes to believe is an "abomination".

Mormons certainly don't claim that every belief of non-Mormon Christians is an abomination.

Moreover, since they themselves claim to be Christians, they can hardly deny "what all of Christianity professes." That would be rather like saying that ducks lack every single characteristic of birds: It would be incoherent.

To a Catholic such as myself, it comes across as Mormons not wanting anyone to hold any convictions unless those convictions agree with Mormonism.

If you mean, by that, that Mormons want everybody else to agree with them regarding Mormon claims, I'm sure it's true. Just as serious Catholics would like everybody else to agree with them regarding the claims of Catholicism.

If that's not what you mean, though . . . well, if that's not what you mean I confess I can't really tell what you do mean.

Mormonism itself, is not Christian. It is not even of the same vine. This is the conviction of my Christian Faith.

A conviction that I dispute, and for which I can see not a shred of supporting historical or linguistic evidence.

[_Daniel Peterson]

See you tomorrow!

Only if, tomorrow, you post something to which I feel I need to reply.

The threshold is exceptionally high in your case, but not impossible.

[_MsJack]

Only if, tomorrow, you post something to which I feel I need to reply.

The threshold is exceptionally high in your case, but not impossible.

This may or may not be the case. I wouldn't know.

But I could always roll a sock puppet and then post insanely idiotic, easy-to-refute arguments about Mormonism. That seems to be a surefire way to get your attention.

[_madeleine]

Daniel Peterson, you speak in riddles, but I'll just be clear.

We don't even worship the same God, you and I. A Hindu may worship Ganesh, and hold deep beliefs in this God, but it is not the same God that I worship. Mormons similarly worship a God that is but in a pantheon of gods. Certainly, a different mythology, but nonetheless, how Mormons describe God and how Christians describe God, are very different.

That is where the non-Christian aspect begins, it just branches from there. I wouldn't say Hinduism is Christian, and I don't say Mormonism is Christian. Certainly, people from both faiths exhibit outward signs of "good fruit", which are a result of natural law and the created capacity for God that we all have. These are all good things, no doubt, but Christian, first of all depends on WHO it is we are worshipping. This is not as relative as LDS would like it to be, though, I believe it is good that LDS have a desire to be Christians. God can and does use that desire for His own Good purpose.

Peace.

[_Daniel Peterson]

This may or may not be the case. I wouldn't know.

But, since it's my threshold, I would. And I've told you. You can believe me or not, as you choose.

But I could always roll a sock puppet and then post insanely idiotic, easy-to-refute arguments about Mormonism. That seems to be a surefire way to get your attention.

Not wishing to interact with you doesn't mean that I don't notice your posts. That's a separate matter.

Being deceptive about your identity might, it's true, lure me into responding to you. Because it's your identity that, for me, is the salient fact.

I was, simply, shocked and horrified at the way you treated me. In my judgment, it was totally uncalled for, extraordinarily uncivil, and I concluded that the person I knew somewhat while she was at BYU (and had quite liked) was not, or no longer was, who she had seemed to be -- and that I would very much prefer to have as little as possible to do with someone who had insulted me so gratuitously, so very much out of the blue.

I expect incivility, lack of substance, and nastiness from Joey and malaise and their ilk. (I usually don't read things from Joseph.) But I didn't expect incivility and nastiness from you. It was a complete surprise. It stunned me. Quite honestly.

[_Daniel Peterson]

Daniel Peterson, you speak in riddles, but I'll just be clear.

There was nothing unclear in my previous response to you.

We don't even worship the same God, you and I.

I hope that's not true.

I worship the God who created the heavens and the earth, covenanted with Abraham, revealed his law through Moses, inspired the psalmist, sent his Son into the world to suffer and die on our behalf, raised Jesus from the dead, wants to be addressed as Father, governs the universe, speaks through the Spirit, and will judge all humankind at the end of days.

If that's not the God you worship . . . well, I'm very surprised.

how Mormons describe God and how Christians describe God, are very different.

Only if Mormons are assumed to be non-Christians. But that is the point at issue, and to assume the point at issue as evidence for determining the issue is fallacious circular reasoning. If Mormons are assumed to be Christians, then it is the case that some Christians (namely, Mormons) describe their God the way that Mormons do, and it cannot be the case that "how Mormons describe God and how Christians describe God, are very different."

I wouldn't say Hinduism is Christian, and I don't say Mormonism is Christian.

I wouldn't say that Hinduism is Christian, either. But that has nothing to do with the question of whether or not Mormonism is Christian.

Christian, first of all depends on WHO it is we are worshipping. This is not as relative as LDS would like it to be, though,

Who wants it to be "relative"?

Not I.

[_Runtu]

The nice thing is that it really doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. Whether or not I'm a Christian is between me and God. If you have a problem with that, take it up with God.