The Old Rugged Cross

The catch-all forum for general topics and debates. Minimal moderation. Rated PG to PG-13.
_Rambo
_Emeritus
Posts: 1933
Joined: Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:43 am

Re: The Old Rugged Cross

Post by _Rambo »

Aristotle Smith wrote:
2) Because Mormons like James more than Paul, there is an overemphasis on how James approaches faith, i.e. "Faith without works is dead." This leads to an emphasis on works that people do, not on the work Christ did.


I have never heard of it put this way before. I'll have to mention this to my Mormon friends sometime. All the tracting I did the christains I came across never said it like this before but then again I don't think they knew the Bible as well as you do.
_Runtu
_Emeritus
Posts: 16721
Joined: Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:06 am

Re: The Old Rugged Cross

Post by _Runtu »

Rambo wrote:I have never heard of it put this way before. I'll have to mention this to my Mormon friends sometime. All the tracting I did the christains I came across never said it like this before but then again I don't think they knew the Bible as well as you do.


I agree with Aristotle. When I was Gospel Doctrine teacher years ago, I would come away from the reading assignments with a pretty good idea of what Paul was talking about. Then I'd read the lesson and see that stuff was emphasized or de-emphasized according to its correspondence to LDS doctrine.
Runtu's Rincón

If you just talk, I find that your mouth comes out with stuff. -- Karl Pilkington
_Buffalo
_Emeritus
Posts: 12064
Joined: Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:33 pm

Re: The Old Rugged Cross

Post by _Buffalo »

Runtu wrote:
Rambo wrote:I have never heard of it put this way before. I'll have to mention this to my Mormon friends sometime. All the tracting I did the christains I came across never said it like this before but then again I don't think they knew the Bible as well as you do.


I agree with Aristotle. When I was Gospel Doctrine teacher years ago, I would come away from the reading assignments with a pretty good idea of what Paul was talking about. Then I'd read the lesson and see that stuff was emphasized or de-emphasized according to its correspondence to LDS doctrine.


Yes, you see that all the time in JW Bible study
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

B.R. McConkie, © Intellectual Reserve wrote:There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilish.
_Patriarchal gripe
_Emeritus
Posts: 97
Joined: Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:10 pm

Re: The Old Rugged Cross

Post by _Patriarchal gripe »

I seem to remember discussion about the graphic for the new LDS temple in Rome having a large cross on the front door? Does this ring a bell with anyone? It was discussed that it might be a symbolic "reaching out" to the world's largest Christian denomination.

I would post a pic, but it seems to be taboo around here lately...
_consiglieri
_Emeritus
Posts: 6186
Joined: Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:47 pm

Re: The Old Rugged Cross

Post by _consiglieri »

Buffalo wrote:
Yes, you see that all the time in JW Bible study


I remember once going to a Bible study with my JW brother some years back.

They were talking about how Jesus did away with the law of Moses, including animal sacrifice.

I asked what they did with the fact that animal sacrifice was commanded of God in the Bible prior to the law of Moses.

All I got was curious looks and the old side-step.

Oooh, I love to dance a little side-step.
Now they see me, now they don't,
I've come and gone.


All the Best!

--Consiglieri
You prove yourself of the devil and anti-mormon every word you utter, because only the devil perverts facts to make their case.--ldsfaqs (6-24-13)
_consiglieri
_Emeritus
Posts: 6186
Joined: Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:47 pm

Re: The Old Rugged Cross

Post by _consiglieri »

Patriarchal gripe wrote:I seem to remember discussion about the graphic for the new LDS temple in Rome having a large cross on the front door? Does this ring a bell with anyone? It was discussed that it might be a symbolic "reaching out" to the world's largest Christian denomination.


That sounds interesting, though I hadn't heard of it.

The big secret Mormons don't know is that every time they display a picture of the crucifixion . . . wait for it . . . there's a cross in there somewhere.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri
You prove yourself of the devil and anti-mormon every word you utter, because only the devil perverts facts to make their case.--ldsfaqs (6-24-13)
_Patriarchal gripe
_Emeritus
Posts: 97
Joined: Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:10 pm

Re: The Old Rugged Cross

Post by _Patriarchal gripe »

What about the nails? I don't blame the cross for Jesus' suffering as much as the nails that were driven through his hands.

http://www.motifake.com/christianity-thor-religion-funny-demotivational-poster-45205.html
_Patriarchal gripe
_Emeritus
Posts: 97
Joined: Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:10 pm

Re: The Old Rugged Cross

Post by _Patriarchal gripe »

What about the nails? I don't blame the cross for Jesus' suffering as much as the nails that were driven through his hands.

http://www.motifake.com/christianity-thor-religion-funny-demotivational-poster-45205.html
_dogmatic
_Emeritus
Posts: 143
Joined: Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:58 pm

Re: The Old Rugged Cross

Post by _dogmatic »

consiglieri wrote:
Buffalo wrote:
Yes, you see that all the time in JW Bible study


I remember once going to a Bible study with my JW brother some years back.

They were talking about how Jesus did away with the law of Moses, including animal sacrifice.

I asked what they did with the fact that animal sacrifice was commanded of God in the Bible prior to the law of Moses.

All I got was curious looks and the old side-step.

Oooh, I love to dance a little side-step.
Now they see me, now they don't,
I've come and gone.


All the Best!

--Consiglieri


I don't think that's a very good point because God was God, before he wrote it down. Doesn't mean that some aspects of the law were not there before the law was written down. Actually the law in full. His law had always been there. A sacrifice has always been required through all human history. Starting with Adam and eve. It's called foreshadowing in the theological world.
..must make sacrifice of his own life to atone. for the blood of Christ alone under certain circumstances will not avail." - Bruce R. McConkie

And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven, … Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man (a.k.a., Jesus) will be forgiven (Matthew 12:31-32).
_consiglieri
_Emeritus
Posts: 6186
Joined: Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:47 pm

Re: The Old Rugged Cross

Post by _consiglieri »

dogmatic wrote:I don't think that's a very good point because God was God, before he wrote it down. Doesn't mean that some aspects of the law were not there before the law was written down. Actually the law in full. His law had always been there. A sacrifice has always been required through all human history. Starting with Adam and eve. It's called foreshadowing in the theological world.


But when the Bible teaches the sacrifice of Christ did away with the law of Moses and carnal commandments, why should we think it did away with laws given before the law of Moses?

You may recall this was a point important to Paul's argument for salvation by faith apart from the law, in Romans and Galatians.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri
You prove yourself of the devil and anti-mormon every word you utter, because only the devil perverts facts to make their case.--ldsfaqs (6-24-13)
Post Reply