Some thoughts on the Flood

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Re: Some thoughts on the Flood

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Runtu wrote:If the Flood really was global, I have a couple of questions:

1. If Noah emptied the Ark in one place (say, Mt. Ararat or somewhere else in the Middle East, or even somewhere near Missouri), shouldn't we see evidence of all species radiating out from that central place? Why, for example, are penguins only found in Antarctica? How did they migrate there from the place where the Ark landed without leaving any trace between the landing point and Antarctica? Did none of them die in transit between the Ark and Antarctica? The same question applies to the marsupials of Australia. Shouldn't we see some evidence of marsupials migrating from the Ark to Australia? Why not?

2. Why do we see the kind of speciation between, say, islands in an archipelago, and the mainland closest to them? For example, there are clear and close genetic relationships between differing species in the Galapagos, and they in turn are related, though not quite as closely, to species on the South American mainland. In other words, the relationships go in one direction, the one that evolution predicts. If all species had been on the Ark, how do we explain the pretty clear unidirectional relationship between species that are geographically dispersed? Why would differing species have chosen to inhabit precisely those places that evolutionary theory tells us we should find them?


Not picking on you, Runtu, but you asked for it.

In the fast lane of quick study ADD, slot thinking linear logic demands God remain in the box. If he said he created the world and finished THEN he MUST not ever do another single thing like seed continents with unique flora and fauna after they separated in the Days of Peleg when the earth was divided. He did interact by destroying the world, and gee, maybe he would be about fixing things up according to his own good will and pleasure. And not tell us. OOOOOOH that hurts.

Making animals unique in several places should cause us to wonder and perhaps glorify God with better reasons than to deny him. In the end it is not all about us. It is altogether for his name's glory. lol at the proud.
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Re: Some thoughts on the Flood

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Hoops wrote:Lol. touché'!!

I think it means: "the earth was exactly as I described it and if you don't agree with me you're stupid." (that certainly has the tone of the French)


I literally LOL'd. Awesome.
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Re: Some thoughts on the Flood

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Hoops wrote:I understand that. My point is that Noah's flood was a cataclysmic (sp?) event. The entire earth and all its inhabitants were impacted. That's what the biblical record tells us.


You indicated that we know this. I am asking again how we know this happened?
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Re: Some thoughts on the Flood

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Fence Sitter wrote:
Who says the gazelle has to be dead when the lion eats it? Maybe the leg just grows back after the gazelle offers the lion a snack. Since we don't how this process worked it is easy to offer up any explanation we want.


It's called apologetics. In this case literal christian apologetics. The more ludicrous explanations tend to involve issues like this one in which so much evidence is against and none in favor except a few lines in an old book not even written by those who were to have experienced the event.
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Re: Some thoughts on the Flood

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Dr. Shades wrote:Not to mention another important question: When the animals left the ark, what did the lions eat?

I am more than slightly annoyed these days as so many smart people only want to use their brains to mock God.

Noah did not receive WILD animals but those whom the Lord brought to him. God is able to multiply in the gut that which can sustain life indefinitely. Like multiply bread and fishes to feed 5000. Why could not your imagination go there instead of striving to make God a laughing stock?

Take this for a template and apply it liberally.
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Re: Some thoughts on the Flood

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You indicated that we know this. I am asking again how we know this happened?

I'm explaining the literalist biblical view. As I understand it, the scientific evidence that supports this is dismissed because the scientific evidence supports OE.
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Re: Some thoughts on the Flood

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Hoops wrote:

You indicated that we know this. I am asking again how we know this happened?

I'm explaining the literalist biblical view. As I understand it, the scientific evidence that supports this is dismissed because the scientific evidence supports OE.


That's fine. I was misunderstanding your use of know thinking that you has some evidence outside of the literalistic reading of the biblical story. Now you mention scientific evidence that supports this. I have not seen any. Can you provide any?
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Re: Some thoughts on the Flood

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Nightlion wrote: I am more than slightly annoyed these days as so many smart people only want to use their brains to mock God.

I'm not mocking God. I'm just showing how a global flood didn't happen.

Noah did not receive WILD animals but those whom the Lord brought to him.

It doesn't matter. According to you, lions must've been on the ark, since we have lions today. So my question still stands: What did the lions eat after they left the ark?

God is able to multiply in the gut that which can sustain life indefinitely. Like multiply bread and fishes to feed 5000.

Then why doesn't He do the same thing nowadays?

Why could not your imagination go there instead of striving to make God a laughing stock?

Because I don't use my imagination. I only use fact, truth, logic, and reason.

Take this for a template and apply it liberally.

If I do that, then everything magically becomes true--even the false things.
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Re: Some thoughts on the Flood

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Hello,

If anyone thinks, at this point in our evolution, that there was a global flood... You can pretty much know they're insane.

You know. Like. They're literally insane.

Yep.

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Re: Some thoughts on the Flood

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Hello,

If anyone thinks, at this point in our evolution, that there was a global flood... You can pretty much know they're insane.

You know. Like. They're literally insane.

That certainly adds a lot to the discussion. Thank you.
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