Marriage: What is the point?

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Re: Marriage: What is the point?

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mikwut wrote:Enforcing proper financial support for example for children and when necessary for the non-working spouse.

Without a contract I don't how that would be enforced, and I am certain from experience it would exploited.

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It is enforced the same way it is with divorced couples. There is really very little enforcement for married couples to care for their chilren or non-working spouse. Unless people call Children's Services.

I know an unmarried couple who worked out an arrangement without even going to court. I know a divorced couple who went to court and the sole custody parent doesn't see any court ordered child support.

I think spousal support would be the only difference. I don't know much about spousal support and don't know anyone who has received it. You probably see that side of it, though.
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zeezrom wrote:I would like to add that I have never felt imprisoned or tied down since getting married.


Has she? That would be an interesting thing to ask. :D
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Just me,

I wasn't talking about parenting plan times and such, I was talking about 1) money, child support and enforcing it. 2) money, spousal support and enforcing it, 3) money - marital property accumulated during the time the parties were married and enforcing that. No contract - no court enforcement.

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mikwut wrote:Just me,

I wasn't talking about parenting plan times and such, I was talking about 1) money, child support and enforcing it. 2) money, spousal support and enforcing it, 3) money - marital property accumulated during the time the parties were married and enforcing that. No contract - no court enforcement.

regards, mikwut


In what state is child support only enforcable if there was a legal marriage? I've honestly never heard of that before. Luckily, we have DNA testing available to us today.

Plus, I know that it isn't prefectly enforcable even with a legal marriage.

I was talking about money, too.

I think #3 is going to depend on the length of the relationship and the state you live in. AND if you aren't married you'd be smart to protect yourself by keeping things seperate. JMO

I'm wondering, as a married woman, if I go to court today what can I get the court to enforce as far as financial support by my husband? How does my marriage contract protect me during the marriage?
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mikwut wrote:Just me,

I wasn't talking about parenting plan times and such, I was talking about 1) money, child support and enforcing it. 2) money, spousal support and enforcing it, 3) money - marital property accumulated during the time the parties were married and enforcing that. No contract - no court enforcement.

regards, mikwut


In what state is child support only enforcable if there was a legal marriage? I've honestly never heard of that before. Luckily, we have DNA testing available to us today.

Plus, I know that it isn't prefectly enforcable even with a legal marriage.

I was talking about money, too.

I think #3 is going to depend on the length of the relationship and the state you live in. AND if you aren't married you'd be smart to protect yourself by keeping things seperate. JMO

I'm wondering, as a married woman, if I go to court today what can I get the court to enforce as far as financial support by my husband? How does my marriage contract protect me during the marriage?
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Just Me,

I see, I was confusing things - your correct you don't need to be married to enforce child support. I was going in a different direction.

I'm wondering, as a married woman, if I go to court today what can I get the court to enforce as far as financial support by my husband? How does my marriage contract protect me during the marriage?


In Colorado, every state is different, spousal support is called maintenance (alimony) and the length of the marriage is on of the several statutory elements that a judge utilizes to subjectively determine an award of maintenance. That would be directly available only on the marriage contract - I suppose we could imagine a world your imagining where the length of time the couple was together based on family members and friends as witnesses could be utilized. But the whole idea of the spousal support is the spouse sacrificed other educational or work gains for the purpose of being with the children while the other spouse utilized that help to gain in those same areas.

When the family law judge is considering what maintenance should be payable after a dissolution, there is no exact scientific formula to guide him/her. Instead, Colorado divorce law sets out the factors to consider when determining an award, including the following:
(a) The financial resources of the party seeking maintenance, including marital property
apportioned to such party, and the party's ability to meet his or her needs independently,
including the extent to which a provision for support of a child living with the party includes a
sum for that party;
(b) The time necessary to acquire sufficient education or training to enable the party seeking
maintenance to find appropriate employment and that party's future earning capacity;
(c) The standard of living established during the marriage;
(d) The duration of the marriage;
(e) The age and the physical and emotional condition of the spouse seeking maintenance; and
(f) The ability of the spouse from whom maintenance is sought to meet his or her needs while
meeting those of the spouse seeking maintenance.
Generally, the longer the marriage, the more likely the court is to award alimony in Colorado. There is no set scientific or mathematical standard, but spouses married just a couple of years do not often receive maintenance upon divorce in Colorado. After ten years of marriage it becomes a very real matter for a judge to decide on. If the marriage was long enough (typically at least 20 years or more), the Colorado divorce judge may award one spouse lifetime alimony.

sorry for the confusion,

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Mikwut, thanks for clarifying. I think we are on the same page.
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mikwut wrote: After ten years of marriage it becomes a very real matter for a judge to decide on. If the marriage was long enough (typically at least 20 years or more), the Colorado divorce judge may award one spouse lifetime alimony.


I got married at 19. If I'd divorced my husband at 39, are you saying he may have had to pay me a lifetime of alimony in the state of CO because I was a stay at home mom?

Good grief!
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Harmony,

The Colorado Judge makes a subjective decision based on the statutory elements I listed above. But, I have never seen a divorce in Colorado with a stay at home Mom and a 20 year marriage with no award of maintenance; and yes a lifetime award is very probable in that scenario. There are factors that could change that though, for example if you have a professional degree and have been a stay at home mom well that changes things.

regards, mikwut
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Re: Marriage: What is the point?

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mikwut wrote:Harmony,

The Colorado Judge makes a subjective decision based on the statutory elements I listed above. But, I have never seen a divorce in Colorado with a stay at home Mom and a 20 year marriage with no award of maintenance; and yes a lifetime award is very probable in that scenario. There are factors that could change that though, for example if you have a professional degree and have been a stay at home mom well that changes things.

regards, mikwut


That just seems so ... strange. I went back to college at 39 and got my degrees and a job. (and I'm still married... 40 years this winter!). It just seems like "lifetime" is a looooooong time for some poor guy to pay alimony.
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