Fox Advocacy Group Declares Romney Non-Christian

[_jon]

So long as you keep your private messages out of my inbox, I don't care what you do.

You're entirely welcome, should you ever feel so inclined, to send me a private message at any time, either via my inbox here, or by snail mail, or at daniel_peterson@BYU.edu.

...and you promise not to reveal the contents of those messages to third parties don't you Daniel *wink*...

[_MsJack]

You're entirely welcome, should you ever feel so inclined, to send me a private message at any time, either via my inbox here, or by snail mail, or at daniel_peterson@BYU.edu.

Said the spider to the fly.

[_Doctor Scratch]

I'm going to nudge in here to note how similar my first interactions w/ DCP are to the way that he's been treating MsJack here on this thread. Very early on, he sent me an email telling me, in effect, that he had deliberately tried to publicly embarrass me on the old FAIR board. (He actually said this---that he "believed" that people deserved to be "embarrassed" by things they said. The problem in this case is that he was making a false accusation for which he's never apologized or tried to make right.) Now I see that he's trying to play pretty much the same game with MsJack. I'm glad that she's making mincemeat out of him.

Dan:

How many other LDS out there are enemies with MsJack, of all people? How do you benefit by fighting with her? What do you stand to gain? A month ago you were practically sobbing over the fact that people criticize you online. Why are you now picking ever more fights? Do you never learn?

[_MsJack]

How many other LDS out there are enemies with MsJack, of all people?

I don't know who my "enemies" are, but as far as I can tell, the following LDS people vehemently dislike me:

William Schryver a.k.a. Nomad a.k.a. Silver Hammer a.k.a. Belinda Schryver
Pahoran
Droopy
Wade Englund
Ardis Parshall
Adam Greenwood
diligent dave (a commentator at Patheos who compared my marriage to a Mormon to Sampson and Delilah)
spamLDS
gb (a commentator on one of the blogs I sometimes post at who told me I dress like a whore because I wear sleeveless attire)
That guy at BYU who said I had a debilitating illness because God was cursing me for being rude to him

bcspace obviously isn't fond of me, but I haven't sensed the same level of bile coming from him as I have everyone else on that list; we've generally been able to keep our disagreements to issues and not each other. Juliann Reynolds seems to believe I'm guilty of libel and possibly "very stupid." There's one more person I would add to the list, but he'd probably have a hissy fit and start a thread on the subject at MDDB, and I just don't have time for one of those.

That is all of the Mormons I can think of who may be counted as vehemently disliking me, in about 13 years of studying the church. 6 of them are people I met via message boards, and another 5 were first encountered via blogging. Only one person is someone I met and interacted with face-to-face who seemed to have something against me.

Why me would make the list, but he's not really Mormon.

So, as you can see, Dan's in good company.

[_dogmatic]

Okay this discussion really got off topic! My two cents. Every Mormon I've talked to answers the question of weather they would do what a prophet called and asked of them with "ofcourse I would." This is why I don't trust romeny or beck. He like all Mormons are puppets to the real "kings" of the world. The prophets. So essence the phrophets would rule America. In their many claims on world domination.

Dang. Dogmatic has smoked us out.

Now everybody's going to know why Glenn Beck and Harry Reid and Mitt Romney and Mike Crapo and Jon Huntsman and Mike Lee and Bob Bennett and Jason Chaffetz and Orrin Hatch all walk in perfect lockstep with each other, politically speaking. They're all getting instructions beamed from Salt Lake City into the receivers implanted at the bases of their skulls.

Mocking? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dana-milb ... 49750.html

[_dogmatic]

Okay this discussion really got off topic! My two cents. Every Mormon I've talked to answers the question of weather they would do what a prophet called and asked of them with "ofcourse I would." This is why I don't trust romeny or beck. He like all Mormons are puppets to the real "kings" of the world. The prophets. So essence the phrophets would rule America. In their many claims on world domination.

Dang. Dogmatic has smoked us out.

Now everybody's going to know why Glenn Beck and Harry Reid and Mitt Romney and Mike Crapo and Jon Huntsman and Mike Lee and Bob Bennett and Jason Chaffetz and Orrin Hatch all walk in perfect lockstep with each other, politically speaking. They're all getting instructions beamed from Salt Lake City into the receivers implanted at the bases of their skulls.

Mocking? Spirit of contention? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dana-milb ... 49750.html

[_moksha]

The talk about not worshiping Christ was given in 1982. Those lyrics were written at least 10 years earlier.

Sometimes rather than mellowing with age we become harsh and leathery. Sounds like the second process may have occurred. The second has its advantages in that it aids in mummification. It is widely believed by me that Ann Coulter has been experiencing this process for some time. It seems innocuous but the Taxidermist Union deems it an unfair business practice.

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[_Daniel Peterson]

I'm going to nudge in here to note how similar my first interactions w/ DCP are to the way that he's been treating MsJack here on this thread. Very early on, he sent me an email telling me, in effect, that he had deliberately tried to publicly embarrass me on the old FAIR board. (He actually said this---that he "believed" that people deserved to be "embarrassed" by things they said. The problem in this case is that he was making a false accusation for which he's never apologized or tried to make right.)

And that, of course, is the simple, unvarnished, objective truth.

Now I see that he's trying to play pretty much the same game with MsJack.

You and MsJack aren't even in the same ballpark. You're malevolent and very possibly insane. She's not.

Another difference: She's wrong in thinking that I dislike her, and very wrong in imagining that I vehemently dislike her. I don't. But I do dislike you. Vehemently? Probably not. I don't take you seriously enough for that. But solidly.

I'm glad that she's making mincemeat out of him.

You certainly would be, if it were true. You're a malevolent sort, and I've had half a decade of experience as the principal object of your hatred.

How many other LDS out there are enemies with MsJack, of all people?

I haven't the foggiest idea. I'm surely not one of them. I don't consider her an enemy, nor do I consider myself her enemy.

How do you benefit by fighting with her? What do you stand to gain?

I don't, and Nothing.

I do benefit, though, in my judgment, by keeping my interaction with her to a minimum. And she probably gains, too.

A month ago you were practically sobbing over the fact that people criticize you online.

Such theatrics, Scratch.

Why are you now picking ever more fights?

All I did was to observe that, in responding to her, I was temporarily suspending my general policy of not doing so. Which was completely true. I have such a policy, and I generally observe it. In responding to her, I was temporarily suspending it.

Do you never learn?

I'm constantly learning.

Incidentally, in a curious way I rather admire the cunning with which you're seeking to maintain your flagging relevance by keeping this inflamed and by seeking to press the disagreement between me and MsJack into service for your bizarre five-year-long vendetta against me.

You're relentless and determined. Nobody can reasonably deny that,

[_Milesius]

Not understanding the Son to BE THE ONE TRUE GOD, but A God.

I don't think your view can survive biblical scrutiny. For its first two or three centuries, Christianity was almost unanimously subordinationist in its Christology. Your view represents a later development.

Dr. Peterson is correct here.

It is so fundamental to Christian belief that without this understanding, you are speaking of another God.

And yet, curiously, it's not clearly taught in the Bible.

How odd of God to lose that news.

The doctrine of the Trinity is also illogical.

[_Milesius]

There are multiple shades of meaning for the term worship

Yes.

and Mormons worship Jesus (and always have) in just about every one of them.

Well, Mormon Jesus anyway.