Fox News on Warren Jeffs Trial

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Themis wrote:My expereince is that those who have real substance to what they assert will almost always provide it.

And I will.

But on my schedule, not necessarily on yours.

Themis wrote:Now this is in regards to your statement that I am completely wrong when I said "They are more in line with how Joseph Smith and BY were running things then the LDS church is today". This of course was comparing the FLDS to the early church of Joseph Smith and BY. I suspect your article will not really address this, as you have failed to do here as well.

That's precisely what the article will address.

But on my schedule, not on yours.

I run my life. You don't. I make my choices. You don't.
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Daniel Peterson wrote:And I will.

But on my schedule, not necessarily on yours.

I run my life. You don't. I make my choices. You don't.


You really do get upset just becuase someone is asking you to back up what you have asserted. No one says you have to, but it certainly was not unreasonable to ask you to back it up. I would always try to back up anything I assert if asked.

Now one of the biggest similarities that makes the FLDS more similar to the early church is that they believe in and practice polygamy while the LDS do not practice polygamy. This similarity alone makes them more like the early church then the LDS today. Also the way in which they go about it, and the ages they get some girls married is not any different as well.
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Themis wrote:You really do get upset just becuase someone is asking you to back up what you have asserted.

No, I'm not upset at all. I simply find it absurd that you keep demanding that I follow your schedule. I've explained that I'm not going to do so, and I've told you why. I don't understand why you won't drop the subject and move on.

Themis wrote:No one says you have to, but it certainly was not unreasonable to ask you to back it up. I would always try to back up anything I assert if asked.

And, as I've told you about a dozen times, I intend to back up what I said.

But I will do it on my timetable, not on yours.

Capice?

Themis wrote:Now one of the biggest similarities that makes the FLDS more similar to the early church is that they believe in and practice polygamy while the LDS do not practice polygamy. This similarity alone makes them more like the early church then the LDS today.

Yes, taken alone it does.

And if that's all that one knows or thinks about or takes into account, the case is closed.

This isn't rocket science.

Themis wrote:Also the way in which they go about it, and the ages they get some girls married is not any different as well.

Mmmmmm . . . No.
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Dr. Peterson:

As a scholar of the Middle East and its people and cultures, may I ask your professional opinion?

Is there anywhere in Utah you can recommend for good falafel?

Do you think it is fair to refer to falafel as "Arabian hush puppies"? Why or why not?
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Darth J wrote:Dr. Peterson:

As a scholar of the Middle East and its people and cultures, may I ask your professional opinion?

Is there anywhere in Utah you can recommend for good falafel?

Do you think it is fair to refer to falafel as "Arabian hush puppies"? Why or why not?

I like Mazza. I can't speak for Dr. Peterson, but I am confident if he sampled the fare there, he would give two thumbs up also.

Truth be told, Mazza's is friggin' delish.

http://www.mazzacafe.com/
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I recommend Mazza, too.

Very, very good.
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Daniel Peterson wrote:No, I'm not upset at all. I simply find it absurd that you keep demanding that I follow your schedule. I've explained that I'm not going to do so, and I've told you why. I don't understand why you won't drop the subject and move on.


Not sure why you keep incorrectly saying I have demanded, when I have not done so.

And, as I've told you about a dozen times, I intend to back up what I said.

But I will do it on my timetable, not on yours.

Capice?


Why not back up where I demanded you do it on my time table. I have suggested it shouldn't be a problem, but that is hardly a demand.

Yes, taken alone it does.


The similarity is just to big, and they do believe much of the same things taught by Joseph Smith and BY.

And if that's all that one knows or thinks about or takes into account, the case is closed.

This isn't rocket science.


No it's not, which is why I think even many apologist realize they are more similar to the early church then the LDS are today.

Mmmmmm . . . No.


Mmmmmm . . . Yes. Both groups were marrying young girls, but I am not aware that of Flds women having more then one husband at a time. :)
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Themis wrote:Not sure why you keep incorrectly saying I have demanded, when I have not done so.

Would you prefer hounded? Or perhaps whined? Maybe harped on?

Themis wrote:The similarity is just to big, and they do believe much of the same things taught by Joseph Smith and BY.

Of course there are similarities. Nobody denies that they're offshoots of the general Mormon tree.

The question is whether they're closer to the teachings of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young than the Utah Church of today is. That seems to be your assertion.

But, logically speaking, showing that "x resembles z" isn't sufficient to demonstrate that "x resembles z more than y does."

Themis wrote:I think even many apologist realize they are more similar to the early church then the LDS are today.

If many apologists think that, which is not apparent to me in any case, those apologists are wrong.

As I shall demonstrate when I write my article on the subject.
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Daniel Peterson wrote:Would you prefer hounded? Or perhaps whined? Maybe harped on?


I prefer the truth, which is that I was reasonably asking for you to back it up, and you continued to dodge until finally saying why you didn't want to, even if it was a little weak. Not a big deal.

Of course there are similarities. Nobody denies that they're offshoots of the general Mormon tree.

The question is whether they're closer to the teachings of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young than the Utah Church of today is. That seems to be your assertion.

But, logically speaking, showing that "x resembles z" isn't sufficient to demonstrate that "x resembles z more than y does."


Well so far I haven't seen any good evidence to show that the LDS are more similar to the early church then the FLDS. If you can then great.
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Themis wrote:I prefer the truth

Which you'll get.

Themis wrote:you continued to dodge

I didn't "dodge."

I flatly declined.

I write what I want when I want to write it. I don't take dictation.

At the moment, I'm writing other things.
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