Priesthood holders know deep down

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_The Nehor
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Buffalo wrote:Didn't Jesus promise that those who followed him would do even greater miracles?


And they did. They just couldn't command them to happen in their own right like Jesus did.
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Scottie wrote:
Mad Viking wrote:Anyone know of someone getting a priesthood blessing that a lost limb would grow back?

My ex-MIL got a blessing that her detached retina would stay healed after the surgery.

It didn't.

She had 3 more surgeries, each with a blessing that THIS time it would work.

They didn't.

She lost her sight in that 1 eye.

But, I guess God's will was done. He had meant all along for her to lose sight in the 1 eye. I'm sure it will all make sense in the grand master plan in the afterlife...
I guess I was being a little rhetorical. I've never heard of a blessing being given for something that is outside the realm of something that could also happen naturally. That way, when something does happen via natural means, the priesthood can get all the credit. If an amputated leg were grown back after a priesthood blessing had been administered, I'd make an appointment with a bishop to start my repentance process.
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Patriarchal gripe wrote:
Runtu wrote:In my experience, most priesthood holders believe in the power of priesthood blessings.


But deep down, most PH holders know or fear that PH blessings don't work.

If their belief was literal, they would visit the cancer wards and ICU's every day and command the sick to rise and take up their beds. The CDC would rush their experts to Utah to study the amazing rate of healing, and the world would flock to the morridor like it was the biblical Pool of Bethesda.

It would actually be immoral for a PH holder to withhold such power.


Except for that whole faith thing needed by both parties. Jesus didn't go around healing everyone. Mostly just the people who had faith and asked.

Nice try though.
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The Nehor wrote:
Buffalo wrote:Didn't Jesus promise that those who followed him would do even greater miracles?


And they did. They just couldn't command them to happen in their own right like Jesus did.


From Acts:

6 Then Peter said, “Silver or gold I do not have, but what I do have I give you. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, walk.” 7 Taking him by the right hand, he helped him up, and instantly the man’s feet and ankles became strong.


8 In Lystra there sat a man who was lame. He had been that way from birth and had never walked. 9 He listened to Paul as he was speaking. Paul looked directly at him, saw that he had faith to be healed 10 and called out, “Stand up on your feet!” At that, the man jumped up and began to walk.
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The Nehor wrote:Except for that whole faith thing needed by both parties. Jesus didn't go around healing everyone. Mostly just the people who had faith and asked.

Nice try though.


I guess Mormons just don't have faith in Jesus then, because no one is being healed anymore.
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Except for that whole faith thing needed by both parties. Jesus didn't go around healing everyone. Mostly just the people who had faith and asked.

Nice try though.



Actually he did just "go around healing everyone". Even those who didn't have faith and asked. See Mark 9:24.

So all the magical elders of Israel could at least go to the hospitals and give the blessings to those who ask. Once the miracles start piling up the faithful will flock to to Utah. Soon, there will be billions who believe and there will be no sickness on the earth.

Nice try though.
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Want to know what bothers me? When a well meaning Elder gives a blessing to a seriously ill person and that person's mother believes the BS and ceases the necessary treatment to extend life.

Like that douche nozzle, Hamba Tuhan, who brags about giving a blessing to a child with Cystic Fibrosis which convinced the poor child's mother to cease treating the condition, shortening the child's life.

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Patriarchal gripe wrote:

Except for that whole faith thing needed by both parties. Jesus didn't go around healing everyone. Mostly just the people who had faith and asked.

Nice try though.



Actually he did just "go around healing everyone". Even those who didn't have faith and asked. See Mark 9:24.


Reread that so you don't look like even more of an idiot. He had faith but admitted it was not perfect. He believed and asked for help overcoming his unbelief.

So all the magical elders of Israel could at least go to the hospitals and give the blessings to those who ask.


What "magical elders"?

Once the miracles start piling up the faithful will flock to to Utah. Soon, there will be billions who believe and there will be no sickness on the earth.


Wrong again. Nice try though.
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Patriarchal gripe wrote:But deep down, most PH holders know or fear that PH blessings don't work.

If their belief was literal, they would visit the cancer wards and ICU's every day and command the sick to rise and take up their beds. The CDC would rush their experts to Utah to study the amazing rate of healing, and the world would flock to the morridor like it was the biblical Pool of Bethesda.

It would actually be immoral for a PH holder to withhold such power.


Years ago, my mother-in-law used to call me fairly regularly to give blessings to very elderly people in the nursing home where she lived. Invariably, they were obviously on their last legs, and I never felt I should promise them anything but peace as they passed on.

Invariably, the next morning, she would tell me the person had passed away. One of my friends worked over there, and he said I was becoming known as "The Angel of Death" among the staff. I wondered if people got scared when I visited. :)
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Buffalo wrote:From Acts:

6 Then Peter said, “Silver or gold I do not have, but what I do have I give you. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, walk.” 7 Taking him by the right hand, he helped him up, and instantly the man’s feet and ankles became strong.


Yeah, God said it was okay.

8 In Lystra there sat a man who was lame. He had been that way from birth and had never walked. 9 He listened to Paul as he was speaking. Paul looked directly at him, saw that he had faith to be healed 10 and called out, “Stand up on your feet!” At that, the man jumped up and began to walk.


Ditto.

I've said things like that myself. I don't do it unless commanded.
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