Famous mother may be facing prosecution!

[_Lucretia MacEvil]

To give her some credit, she did go on Dr. Phil to get help. Here's a follow-up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yv1ey7Sf ... re=related

I hope she is able to manage the poor child better now, and if she can't he should be with someone who can. I also hope she didn't do too much damage to him already. It's hard to imagine how anyone could have imagined that screaming threats and hot sauce were parenting.

Good thing we have Dr. Phil around when the restored gospel fails.

Ah, she goes on Dr. Phil and everything is butterflies and lollypops. Give me a break -- some cute music and nice camera angles do not give me sympathy for this woman in the least. I put her in the same category as the out-of-control cops you can see beating the heck out of innocent people, or violating their constitutional rights, in hundreds of videos on YouTube. Authoritarian parents turn out famous people -- Bundy, Manson, Hitler, Stalin...What she needs is a few days in jail so she knows she can't con people by pretending to be all sugar and spice on a TV program, and then have to take parenting classes coupled with cognitive behavioral therapy to alter her mindset that worships the concept of "might makes right."

I don't have much sympathy for her, but she did seek help and that counts for something. Or maybe she thought she would get nothing but sympathy. Hard to say. I think she is just a woman with poor coping skills who got over her head in a situation with an emotionally disordered child that she couldn't handle.

[_Fiannan]

I put her in the same category as the out-of-control cops you can see beating the heck out of innocent people, or violating their constitutional rights, in hundreds of videos on YouTube.

So... how do you feel about cops beating the hell out of guilty people?

Well let's see, how about these sort of cops?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... death.html

or this jerk:

http://observers.france24.com/content/2 ... eraman-usa

The term used by the father of the homeless man killed by cops, who is himself a retired police officer, is "resistance to cop" -- which seems to be a growing mindset of cops who see themselves as the law rather than the servants of it. Maybe all the hysteria over "terrorism," and all the Homeland Security crap training that is going out, is causing cops to see the world as "you are with us or the terrorists" to quote a tool from Texas, as opposed to a tool from Chicago, Come to think of it, with our de-evolution to a paranoid state ( may want to see the BBC documentary "The Power of Nightmares 3" on Video Google) maybe the state will come to appreciate the likes of parents who teach that unquestioning obedience to authority is a virtue rather than a vice.

[_cafe crema]

What about soap? Is soap torture too?

Well I wouldn't put cleaning products in my childs mouth, but that's just me I guess.

[_Fiannan]

I don't have much sympathy for her, but she did seek help and that counts for something. Or maybe she thought she would get nothing but sympathy. Hard to say. I think she is just a woman with poor coping skills who got over her head in a situation with an emotionally disordered child that she couldn't handle.

While it is reported that one of her other children filmed the incident, I am wondering who actually sent the video to the tv show and why.

[_cafe crema]

I don't have much sympathy for her, but she did seek help and that counts for something. Or maybe she thought she would get nothing but sympathy. Hard to say. I think she is just a woman with poor coping skills who got over her head in a situation with an emotionally disordered child that she couldn't handle.

While it is reported that one of her other children filmed the incident, I am wondering who actually sent the video to the tv show and why.

I've wondered about that since this whole thing came up, it's obvious from the video that mom had no problem with the filming of the whole thing by one of her children. So was it done with an eye to getting on Dr. Phil or did the photographer decide to do on his or her own? Seeing the mom in action so to speak I don't think as a child I would have had the guts to send it in to Dr. Phil behind her back.

[_Fiannan]

Did she get disfelowshipped or lose her calling?

[_Yoda]

What about soap? Is soap torture too?

Ha! Soap on the tongue for swearing. My Mom did that to me, too.

Have you seen the video, Harm? We're not talking about something as simple as that.

This woman was completely out of control.

I saw the Dr. Phil episode. Apparently, the mother was going for therapy and so was the child. The show was going to pay all expenses. I hope they took advantage of the help. Like Jersey Girl said, it's a family issue, and when a child has detachment issues, like many of these children in Russia and Romania do, it is a long road for everyone involved. For the sake of the child, it is worth the effort.

The video literally made me sick to my stomach. I have a son the exact same age.

What bothered me most was that not only were the punishments extremely severe in and of themselves...they were severe for what the child had done. Putting a child into a freezing cold shower because he forgot to give his Mom a note from school? The kid is 7! I'm going through my kid's backpack every night!

[_Yoda]

Thinking about this episode further, it sounds like this LDS couple's interest in adopting these children was more about appearance than charity.

There are plenty of needy children right here in the US in need of adoption...yet they are traveling to Romania for the pretty white babies?

And, frankly, as awful as the mother came across on the video, after watching the Dr. Phil show, I was equally disgusted by the father. The shower punishment was the Father's idea. Apparently, it was a disciplinary tactic used on him in the military, according to what he said on the show.

As far as I'm concerned, the father should be on trial as well.

[_harmony]

The thing is... a generation ago, when I was a child, this was standard treatment.

You lied to your mom? You suffered the consequences, which ranged from cayenne pepper on your tongue to a few swats with a wooden spoon (my mom broke her wooden spoon on my butt at least once.)

You lied to your dad about something that could have longterm consequences for the family (like saying you changed the water in the field when you actually hadn't which may have caused a crop failure, depending on the weather)? You suffered the consequences, which ranged from a literal kick in the butt to a belt or strap being used across your backside (that would have been my brother...).

You said a bad word or called your mom a name? You suffered the consequences, which may have been the privilege of biting down on a bar of soap (this would have been my younger sister).

We didn't have access to what is now popular psychology. Things were simple: respect was earned; punishment was swift; lie, cheat, steal, or call your mom a foul name, and you definitely paid for it.

None of us turned into sociopaths; none of our children did either.

[_The Nehor]

None of us turned into sociopaths; none of our children did either.

I beg to differ. This is the same generation that gave us our current crop of pedophiles, murderers, and criminals of all sorts.

Some of you did turn into sociopaths though not a majority.