harmony wrote:None of us turned into sociopaths; none of our children did either.
I beg to differ. This is the same generation that gave us our current crop of pedophiles, murderers, and criminals of all sorts.
Some of you did turn into sociopaths though not a majority.
Us = my family. Don't make me get out the soap, Nehor.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
harmony wrote:The thing is... a generation ago, when I was a child, this was standard treatment.
You lied to your mom? You suffered the consequences, which ranged from cayenne pepper on your tongue to a few swats with a wooden spoon (my mom broke her wooden spoon on my butt at least once.)
You lied to your dad about something that could have longterm consequences for the family (like saying you changed the water in the field when you actually hadn't which may have caused a crop failure, depending on the weather)? You suffered the consequences, which ranged from a literal kick in the butt to a belt or strap being used across your backside (that would have been my brother...).
You said a bad word or called your mom a name? You suffered the consequences, which may have been the privilege of biting down on a bar of soap (this would have been my younger sister).
We didn't have access to what is now popular psychology. Things were simple: respect was earned; punishment was swift; lie, cheat, steal, or call your mom a foul name, and you definitely paid for it.
None of us turned into sociopaths; none of our children did either.
A lot of good people did bad things like that ignorantly. Now that we know better, there's no excuse
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
harmony wrote:Us = my family. Don't make me get out the soap, Nehor.
I prefer Dove. It has a smooth refreshing flavor.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Buffalo wrote:A lot of good people did bad things like that ignorantly. Now that we know better, there's no excuse
Are there stats somewhere that show a clear advantage to today's child discipline over yesterday's? Or does it just feel better to everyone?
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
Are there stats somewhere that show a clear advantage to today's child discipline over yesterday's? Or does it just feel better to everyone?
Treating a child with respect does not mean you cannot discipline them. I even believe a smack on the behind is warranted from time to time. However, the hot sauce thing will degrade the child and not teach him anything but that authority is painful. Hopefully he will be one of those kids who will grow up and not become an authoritarian, or a criminal, due to this sort of treatment. As for the cold shower thing being used as a punishment in the military...it seems a little too homo-erotic in the military context, but again, just degrading to a child in the context of a parent using it on their youngster.
Are there stats somewhere that show a clear advantage to today's child discipline over yesterday's? Or does it just feel better to everyone?
Treating a child with respect does not mean you cannot discipline them. I even believe a smack on the behind is warranted from time to time. However, the hot sauce thing will degrade the child and not teach him anything but that authority is painful. Hopefully he will be one of those kids who will grow up and not become an authoritarian, or a criminal, due to this sort of treatment. As for the cold shower thing being used as a punishment in the military...it seems a little too homo-erotic in the military context, but again, just degrading to a child in the context of a parent using it on their youngster.
I asked for stats and you gave me rhetoric.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.