Famous mother may be facing prosecution!

[_harmony]

If you can describe what "today's child discipline" means, I'd be willing to take a shot at supplying an answer.

Give me some examples of "today's child discipline" or even describe the situations in which it is used.

Time Out corner seems to be the most popular.

[_Jersey Girl]

If you can describe what "today's child discipline" means, I'd be willing to take a shot at supplying an answer.

Give me some examples of "today's child discipline" or even describe the situations in which it is used.

Time Out corner seems to be the most popular.

Okay...wow, I'm probably going to annoy you by responding to your statement with a question...but here goes.

I think Time Out is a concept that is familiar to most of us, whether we support it as a method of behavior guidance or not, I am of the "not" camp.

In 25+ years of teaching young children and about 1/3 of that teaching mixed age groups of young children, upwards of 15 or so at a time, I have never once:

Put a child in time out
Put soap on their tongue
Made them ingest hot sauce

If I can successfully do this for 25+ years (and I have) at a adult:child ratio of oh, 2:10 or 2:12 depending on the ages, why can't a parent do the same thing 1:1?

[_harmony]

Okay...wow, I'm probably going to annoy you by responding to your statement with a question...but here goes.

I think Time Out is a concept that is familiar to most of us, whether we support it as a method of behavior guidance or not, I am of the "not" camp.

In 25+ years of teaching young children and about 1/3 of that teaching mixed age groups of young children, upwards of 15 or so at a time, I have never once:

Put a child in time out
Put soap on their tongue
Made them ingest hot sauce

If I can successfully do this for 25+ years (and I have) at a adult:child ratio of oh, 2:10 or 2:12 depending on the ages, why can't a parent do the same thing 1:1?

Okay... so?

I still haven't seen any stats that show whatever passes as present day child discipline creates less sociopaths than 50 years ago's.

Since I don't work in either the education system or child care, and I don't discipline my grandkids, I have no conceptualization regarding current child discipline at all. I can tell you, though, that my brother never lied about changing water more than once, my sisters never called my mother bitchy more than once, and I never broke the windshield out of our car with a metal pipe more than once. Maybe we learned the hard way, but we learned. (incidently, my brother is a preacher/truck driver, my youngest sister is a banker, and my next youngest sister keeps a small town newspaper afloat.) For my own kids, I preferred work and/or a quick slap. You screwed up bad enough in my house, and you got the toothbrush and the toilet.

[_Jersey Girl]

harm,

Are you familiar with this model?

Hope: Trust vs. Mistrust (Infants, Birth to 12-18 Months)
Will: Autonomy vs. Shame & Doubt (Toddlers, 18 mo. to 3 years)
Purpose: Initiative vs. Guilt (Preschool, 3 to 6 years)
Competence: Industry vs. Inferiority (Childhood, 6 to 12 years)

[_Jersey Girl]

Okay...wow, I'm probably going to annoy you by responding to your statement with a question...but here goes.

I think Time Out is a concept that is familiar to most of us, whether we support it as a method of behavior guidance or not, I am of the "not" camp.

In 25+ years of teaching young children and about 1/3 of that teaching mixed age groups of young children, upwards of 15 or so at a time, I have never once:

Put a child in time out
Put soap on their tongue
Made them ingest hot sauce

If I can successfully do this for 25+ years (and I have) at a adult:child ratio of oh, 2:10 or 2:12 depending on the ages, why can't a parent do the same thing 1:1?

Okay... so?

I still haven't seen any stats that show whatever passes as present day child discipline creates less sociopaths than 50 years ago's.

Since I don't work in either the education system or child care, and I don't discipline my grandkids, I have no conceptualization regarding current child discipline at all. I can tell you, though, that my brother never lied about changing water more than once, my sisters never called my mother bitchy more than once, and I never broke the windshield out of our car with a metal pipe more than once. Maybe we learned the hard way, but we learned. (incidently, my brother is a preacher/truck driver, my youngest sister is a banker, and my next youngest sister keeps a small town newspaper afloat.) For my own kids, I preferred work and/or a quick slap. You screwed up bad enough in my house, and you got the toothbrush and the toilet.

harm,

I asked you a question. Here it is again:

In 25+ years of teaching young children and about 1/3 of that teaching mixed age groups of young children, upwards of 15 or so at a time, I have never once:

Put a child in time out
Put soap on their tongue
Made them ingest hot sauce

If I can successfully do this for 25+ years (and I have) at a adult:child ratio of oh, 2:10 or 2:12 depending on the ages, why can't a parent do the same thing 1:1?

[_harmony]

If I can successfully do this for 25+ years (and I have) at a adult:child ratio of oh, 2:10 or 2:12 depending on the ages, why can't a parent do the same thing 1:1?

[/quote]

I was a parent: 8 to 1. So?

[_Jersey Girl]

If I can successfully do this for 25+ years (and I have) at a adult:child ratio of oh, 2:10 or 2:12 depending on the ages, why can't a parent do the same thing 1:1?

I was a parent: 8 to 1. So?[/quote]

You aren't answering the question I posed to you, harm.

Forget it.

[_harmony]

You aren't answering the question I posed to you, harm.

Forget it.

I can't remember ever being a parent 1:1. By the time my oldest was 2, I had 2... so my ratio was 1:2. Then it was 1:3, 1:4, 1:5, etc. So I have no frame of reference for what appears to be your question (at least it's the only sentence with a question mark after it...).

So, no... I had no frame of reference for what I took to be your question. And I can forget it without regret.

However, I would like to see those stats.

[_LDSToronto]

That story is heartbreaking for both the parent and the child. The hell that kid must feel, leaving one bad situation for another. And that mom, frustrated to the point of irrationality. It sucks all around.

Jersey Girl, you seem educated in these matters, but not every parent is. I will admit, I spent many nights in my room crying because I'd treated one of my kids too harshly and felt like I couldn't do any better. Never abuse, but lots of impatience and punishment that probably went too far.

Fortunately, I learned to rely on natural consequences. If a kid did something rotten, and then asked for some privilege, I'd explain that the previous rottenness has put me in a less than generous mood, which usually translated into loss of a ride to a friends house or a couple of bucks to go to the movies.

Parenting, in general, sucks.

H.

[_Jersey Girl]

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