consiglieri wrote:thews wrote:Are you implying that when one "gets the chance to hear about Jesus" it's the Joseph Smith version which they then have to accept or reject via a dead-dunk scenario? What about Christians who have had the chance to hear and understand Joseph Smith's version of Jesus, accept it, then reject it? Are they eternally damned for doing so? You claimed you didn't think Joseph Smith was kidding when he claimed all "but Mormon" would be damned, so if he wasn't giving a so-called "tongue-in-cheek" answer, then my fate is sealed and when Joe Smith sits at the table to judge me, and I tell him his religion was wrong, I get the hell sentence? If so, I'll take hell.
Because this seems to be an area of special interest to you, perhaps you might want to start a thread devoted to this subject, in which I would be happy to participate.
This thread is about Mormonism as a Christian faith. You've already contradicted yourself in an attempted flim-flam wordplay to imply Joseph Smith was just kidding when he claimed all but Mormon would be damned. You've backpedaled, failed to respond to the point made, and now the diversionary attempt plays out full circle. Why not take a stand and make a coherent point?
consiglieri wrote:I am sure you know Mormons do not believe in hell the way other Christian denominations do.
That's because the theology is not the same. That's just one reason Mormonism is not Christianity... it's Mormonism.
consiglieri wrote:I imagine you know Mormons do believe in a hell they also refer to as "outer darkness" or perdition, but that in order to inherit such a doom, one has to be Mormon first.
More wordplay to imply you've actually made a point regarding the OP. A religion is based on theology and doctrine. Mormonism and Christianity is
not the same theology nor the
same doctrine. What "scholarly" point are you
attempting to make here?
consiglieri wrote:Everyone else (including you) qualifies for heaven.
That's not so bad.
Is it?
All the Best!
--Consiglieri
Says who? Joseph Smith? Joseph Smith and his magical seer stones used to see evil treasure guardians was just a man... he was not a God. I hear this all the time... the qualifier: "Well, except for serial killers" who deserve hell. Serial killers don't choose to have a brain void of empathy, so God must have made them that way. For anyone to judge anyone else is pure arrogance in my opinion. The cognitive dissonance required to believe Joseph Smith actually was a prophet of God is staggering. You must believe in magical seer stones, the pagan book of the dead bringing "Christian" doctrine and polygamy as a requirement to enter God's glory. Do you believe in polygamy as a requirement to enter God's glory Consiglieri" Stem doesn't. Liz doesn't. Harmony doesn't. Why not? Do you accept Joseph Smith's translation of the Bible? If no, then why not? Who is presenting a false witness here?
Food for thought (based on the Bible):
http://biblelight.net/false-prophets.htmDeu 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
Deu 18:21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
Deu 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity [lawlessness].
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity [lawlessness] shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
2 Pet 2:1 [NIV] But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2 Pet 2:2 [NIV] Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
2 Pet 2:3 [NIV] In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
2 Tim 4:2 [NIV] Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction.
2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
2 Tim 4:4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
Are you a teacher to itching ears Consiglieri? Are you presenting a false witness to what you don't believe in, but profess you do?
2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine.
2 Tim 4:4 They will turn their ears away from the truth & turn aside to myths