What's the utility of faith?

[_Some Schmo]

In case anyone needed additional examples of religious people being disingenuous about what they believe, this thread shall serve well.

The thing that's become painfully clear is that you can't talk these people out of their imaginary friends. You can't make a person grow up. They will remain children (of their fictional god) their whole lives unless they decide they've had enough.

Kids will be kids, I guess.

*shrug*

[_Mad Viking]

A working, organized universe.

Can you demonstrate how a working, organized universe mandates the existence of your god?

What does a non-working and/or non-organized universe look like?

[_Hoops]

bark, bark!

[_Hoops]

Can you demonstrate how a working, organized universe mandates the existence of your god?

What does a non-working and/or non-organized universe look like?

I was asked to provide evidence. I've done so. You may disagree with the evidence, or the conclusions one may draw from it, but it is solid, observable evidence all the same. Which makes the op's premise false. Which was my point from the outset.

[_Some Schmo]

bark, bark!

You didn't need to prove you don't understand my posts. I think anyone following along already knew that (given they've all had the same experience with you).

[_Buffalo]

In any case, you seem categorically unable to refute ANY atheist claims, old and tired or not.

Oh, sheesh! Really? Seriously? Or is this just another example?

What claims? Atheists don't make claims, they simply sit back, arms folded across their chests, and piously demand to be satisfied.

We both know that isn't true. Don't pout. Put forth an effort to defend your faith intellectually.

[_Buffalo]

Faith is belief in the absence of evidence.

False.

As evidence of this being true, I offer up the fact

This is not a fact, so immediately your assertions are suspect.

that you believe, and yet can offer no evidence that your god is real.

A working, organized universe.

Scientifically speaking, there is no need for any sort of supernatural intervention in order to get a "working, organized universe." Adding god as an additional cause is superfluous, and violates the principle of Occam's razor.

Anything else?

[Guest]

Can you site an example? or is this more dead fish for the clapping seals?

Odin.

So now you can show me where I have made a comment about this Norse god, or any Norse god, at any time, in any way, in all of my history on this earth.

Otherwise, you will have to agree that your comments are, indeed, dead fish for the clapping seals.

My mistake. I misunderstood what you were asking me to provide. You wanted my to have knowledge of everything you've ever said. SOrry, I don't have that. I thought you were asking for an example of a god that you would believe to be a false god and as such you would demand evidence for before accepting as being in literal existence (the same way atheists do toward all god claims). My mistake. I do not know everything you've ever said or written about any gods. But while we're here, how do you respond to claims of the literal existence of Vishnu?

[_Buffalo]

Faith is belief in the absence of evidence. As evidence of this being true, I offer up the fact that you believe, and yet can offer no evidence that your god is real.

Your turn.

Oh my gosh, I can't believe you just did it again. your sneaky, Did you get that definition off google? I always like to look at how the actual word in all its facets, has been used throughout history, not the urban dictionary definition.

Websters Dictionary:
Faith - (1) Inward acceptance of a personality as real and trustworthy, of an idea as true and obligatory, or of a thing as beneficial; as faith in God; faith in one’s friend; faith in the moral law; faith in medicine. The word had originally a religious sense, and in its various uses generally retains a suggestion of emotional or practical quality. (2) The recognition of spiritual realities and moral principles as of paramount authority and supreme value. (3) Theological a. Historical faith or belief in the truthfulness and authority of the Scriptural narrative and teachings. b. Saving or practical faith or the acceptance by the intellect, affection and the will of God’s favor extended to man through Christ.

I got my definition from the practical observation of Christians in the wild.

Where is your evidence?

[_Buffalo]

haha.. Mormons always have dogs in the fight. of course I'm getting my but kicked, I refuse to debate on their grounds. They win by forfeit.

I've seen no indication that you intellectually capable enough to defend your faith on ANY grounds.