It's only a matter of time

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_The Nehor
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Re: It's only a matter of time

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Buffalo wrote:They don't work - they've been dubunked scientifically.


Short of the miraculous I agree. Again, that something miraculously happened with a rod once does not mean that every yahoo who has a rod will find water.

I suppose that's valid if you don't believe in Jesus. Jesus said miracles are repeatable and testable.


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Is this the same Son of God that couldn't do miracles because the people around him lacked faith?

Please share this quotation from Jesus teaching this vital doctrine.

Deny all you like, as you shake the dust off your feet at me and wrestle with evil spirits. :)
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Why would I want to curse you? You humiliate the enemy's of God with your embarrassing arguments. You are in a strange way my ally. You cast doubt on the intelligent and thoughtful opponents of God that have actually thought things through.

While the intellectual in me finds you a disgrace the missionary in me finds you hilarious.
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_Morley
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Re: It's only a matter of time

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The Nehor wrote:
Morley wrote:Um, what is my "grade-school level understanding of Galileo'? Or of the historic conflict between religion and science?


That it can be starkly defined as religion versus science. I recommend a good biography of Galileo. Read about his religious supporters and his religious enemies. ....


I have read about Galileo, but thank you for the recommendation. You're obviously referring to Shea and Artigas’ excellent Galileo in Rome. Though Artigas is a Catholic priest, this book hardly exonerates the Church. Nor does it redeem your thesis that the conflict between science and religion is largely imaginary.
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Re: It's only a matter of time

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The Nehor wrote:...the intellectual in me...

You should tell that proctologist to remove his finger.
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Re: It's only a matter of time

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Morley wrote:I have read about Galileo, but thank you for the recommendation. You're obviously referring to Shea and Artigas’ excellent Galileo in Rome. Though Artigas is a Catholic priest, this book hardly exonerates the Church.


Nor should it be exonerated. If I gave the impression that I think the Catholic Church acted correctly in this situation allow me to clearly say I do not. I don't find it surprising it happened and I think Galileo was an idiot in how he went about presenting his views but that doesn't exonerate the Church either.

The same thing happens in a less severe way now. If a young scientist came up with a breakthrough or new insight but had publicly insulted every academic journal and prominent researcher in his field and alienated most of his supporters he would have a hard time getting published. I saw it happen.

We've come a long way between the two scenarios but the cause of both are the same.
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Re: It's only a matter of time

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Some Schmo wrote:
The Nehor wrote:...the intellectual in me...

You should tell that proctologist to remove his finger.


I wondered just this morning when you'd bumble your way into this thread. Thank you for your contribution. It has elevated the level of discourse.

Now sod off.
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Re: It's only a matter of time

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The Nehor wrote:
Buffalo wrote:I'm not sure whether you're being intentionally stupid or not. Are you trying to discount the importance of evidence, or making a childish argument about "proof"?


Neither, read again.


I read it again. Your "argument" was just as stupid the second time around. Massive ignorance.

Did I say any of that? No, I even acknowledged that those things are useful. I made it clear that they are not directly observable phenomena. They are indirect evidence. Often very convincing. However the events they indicate cannot be proven in ways studies and experiments in the "hard" sciences (physics, biology, chemistry, mathematics, etc) are. Please pay attention.


It's kind of cute that you think that physics/biology/astronomy deals with only the "directly observable."

As if ancient DNA isn't directly observable.
Wrong again.



Name a single credible archaeologist who supports the Book of Mormon scientifically.




It does what now?


I can't be held responsible for your ignorance about your own religion.

Different from who? Catholicism? Anglicans? The Church of the Holy Fish-Cake? The Church of Suriving Snake Bites 2.0?


All of the above.


No God is pretty smart actually.
Hurr

Regularly and often throughout college. My main interests were astronomy and quantum physics. I still follow these fields in my spare time.


You're either lying or you slept through them.

Which has nothing to do with the flaws in Occam's Razor.


Don't just assert. Back it up.

I'm not. I'm telling you what you clearly don't know. I'm pointing out your areas of ignorance in which you are proven to be an ignoramus. Quite a different proposition.


You don't seem to even be able to grasp what science is or how it operates. It'd be helpful if you boned up on that before attempting to proceed further.

dividing up your responses into multiple posts just makes you look childish. Just so you know.

Non sequitur.

And, as usual, most of your rebuttals boil down to "nuh uh!" Very convincing.
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Re: It's only a matter of time

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Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

B.R. McConkie, © Intellectual Reserve wrote:There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilish.
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Re: It's only a matter of time

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The Nehor wrote:
Buffalo wrote:Image


Can you give me a source for the image? I know what the NCSE is so I suspect they are trying to make the ancient Hebrews appear more ignorant then they were.


Why do you need a source? Don't you know your old testament? This is the world as described by ancient prophets.

Here, let me help:

http://www.google.com/search?client=ope ... 80&bih=837
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

B.R. McConkie, © Intellectual Reserve wrote:There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilish.
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Re: It's only a matter of time

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The Nehor wrote:
Buffalo wrote:They don't work - they've been dubunked scientifically.


Short of the miraculous I agree. Again, that something miraculously happened with a rod once does not mean that every yahoo who has a rod will find water.


So, divining rods work - just not when anyone in a position to determine their efficacy is watching. :D

The Nehor wrote:
I suppose that's valid if you don't believe in Jesus. Jesus said miracles are repeatable and testable.


Image

Is this the same Son of God that couldn't do miracles because the people around him lacked faith?

Please share this quotation from Jesus teaching this vital doctrine.


In Jesus' lifetime, practically no one believed in him. In this nation, just about everyone believes, and Jesus claimed that only the tiniest seed of belief was necessary. Ergo it's testable and repeatable. Jesus failed the test.

The Nehor wrote:Why would I want to curse you? You humiliate the enemy's of God with your embarrassing arguments. You are in a strange way my ally. You cast doubt on the intelligent and thoughtful opponents of God that have actually thought things through.


This is what's known as "bluster."

The Nehor wrote:While the intellectual in me finds you a disgrace


I hope the intellectual in you at least bought you dinner first.
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Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

B.R. McConkie, © Intellectual Reserve wrote:There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilish.
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Re: It's only a matter of time

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Morley wrote:.... Nor does it redeem your thesis that the conflict between science and religion is largely imaginary.


Reiteration.
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