Buffalo wrote:To further illustrate the worthlessness of applying supernatural causes to events already explained by natural ones, consider earthquakes. They are fully understood. We know what causes them. How much does it add to the issue to speculate, that in addition to the mundane natural causes involved, that invisible biting demons are also congruently responsible for earthquakes, in ways that are immeasurable and undetectable?
Ummmmmmm........who outside of Jack Chick believes this?
Didn't God cause numerous earthquakes in the Book of Mormon?
when believers want to give their claims more weight, they dress these claims up in scientific terms. When believers want to belittle atheism or secular humanism, they call it a "religion". -Beastie
yesterday's Mormon doctrine is today's Mormon folklore.-Buffalo
Tarski wrote:Didn't God cause numerous earthquakes in the Book of Mormon?
It is not specifically said that he did. The timing on two (the prison break/mass conversion led by Nephi and the earthquake that heralded the death of the Savior) were too convenient to be coincidences. So either God caused them (possible) or God used his omniscience to coordinate them with other events (more likely).
In either case this is not the same as invisible biting devils causing earthquakes which I do not believe in. I don't think devils have ever been allowed that much power to influence events. If they had been life on earth would be much more hellish.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Buffalo wrote:This is very similar to the popular belief that although evolution requires no external intervention, god steps in and tweaks it now and again in undetectable ways.
The idea of an organizing God with a plan stepping in occasionally to nudge life the way he desires it to go is very similar to invisible biting devils causing earthquakes?
I disagree with your assessment.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Buffalo wrote:This is very similar to the popular belief that although evolution requires no external intervention, god steps in and tweaks it now and again in undetectable ways.
The idea of an organizing God with a plan stepping in occasionally to nudge life the way he desires it to go is very similar to invisible biting devils causing earthquakes?
I disagree with your assessment.
Great, then it should be easy for you to explain why they're not analogous.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Tarski wrote:Didn't God cause numerous earthquakes in the Book of Mormon?
It is not specifically said that he did. The timing on two (the prison break/mass conversion led by Nephi and the earthquake that heralded the death of the Savior) were too convenient to be coincidences. So either God caused them (possible) or God used his omniscience to coordinate them with other events (more likely).
In either case this is not the same as invisible biting devils causing earthquakes which I do not believe in. I don't think devils have ever been allowed that much power to influence events. If they had been life on earth would be much more hellish.
Either god caused the earthquake, or god caused the people to be wicked. Which is it?
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Buffalo wrote:Great, then it should be easy for you to explain why they're not analogous.
It's self-evident. I could try to explain why red isn't blue to you but when you do your "fake ignorance" act it's pointless to try to show you anything.
Maybe I give you too much credit. Maybe it's not an act?
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Buffalo wrote:Either god caused the earthquake, or god caused the people to be wicked. Which is it?
False dichotomy.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Buffalo wrote:Great, then it should be easy for you to explain why they're not analogous.
It's self-evident. I could try to explain why red isn't blue to you but when you do your "fake ignorance" act it's pointless to try to show you anything.
Maybe I give you too much credit. Maybe it's not an act?
In other words, you've got nothing. Just as I thought. You lose!
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Buffalo wrote:Either god caused the earthquake, or god caused the people to be wicked. Which is it?
False dichotomy.
I'm just going by what you said. The Book of Mormon account said Jesus was the one who killed the people with natural disasters. You say it's possible God might have arranged matters so that the destruction happened at just the right time - that would mean that god caused them to be wicked.
So which is it? Or do you have a third BS theory?
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Buffalo wrote:In other words, you've got nothing. Just as I thought. You lose!
Because you're too dense to understand the difference between God and little biting devils?
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
