Where NDEs and out of body experiences come from

[_Buffalo]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_gyrus

Recent experiments have demonstrated the possibility that stimulation of the angular gyrus is the cause of out-of-body experiences. [2] Stimulation of the angular gyrus in one experiment caused a woman to perceive a phantom existence behind her.[3] Another such experiment gave the test subject the sensation of being on the ceiling. This is attributed to a discrepancy in the actual position of the body, and the mind's perceived location of the body.

There goes science, pooping in the paranormal punchbowl again.

[_daheshism]

Affraid not my friend!

There are numerous cases where people died on the operating table, then claimed to hear the doctor or nurse make a paticular statement or movement, then after they were brought back to life they recounted the statement.

By stimulating a part of the brain, some people report seeing visions or "feeling" presences. This could mean...

1) These visions and feelings are mere hallucinations
or
2) These are true visions of another dimension, triggered by stimulating the brain in a certain way.

Either is possible.

[_Buffalo]

Affraid not my friend!

There are numerous cases where people died on the operating table, then claimed to hear the doctor or nurse make a paticular statement or movement, then after they were brought back to life they recounted the statement.

By stimulating a part of the brain, some people report seeing visions or "feeling" presences. This could mean...

1) These visions and feelings are mere hallucinations
or
2) These are true visions of another dimension, triggered by stimulating the brain in a certain way.

Either is possible.

The problem with that is that no one has actually died and come back to life. People's hearts stop, their breathing stops, but you're not dead until your brain dies. No one has ever come back from brain death.

There's a reason why these are called NEAR death experiences.

Option one is the only plausible explanation at this point.

[_lostindc]

Buffalo,

This is a very shallow view of the complexities of a NDE. I suggest you read some of Dr. Sam Parnia, Dr. Jeffrey Long, and other prominent medical doctors and researchers. I do believe Dr. Parnia will shed more light on the NDE when his preliminary findings are released within the next 6-12 months.

[_Quasimodo]

The problem with that is that no one has actually died and come back to life. People's hearts stop, their breathing stops, but you're not dead until your brain dies. No one has ever come back from brain death.

There's a reason why these are called NEAR death experiences.

Option one is the only plausible explanation at this point.

Hey Buff,

I think we usually disagree on these subjects (though not much else). :).

Personal experience. You may have heard this story before (I think I may have posted it earlier).

I was chatting with two heart surgeons in the doctor's lounge one day and a program about NDE's came on the TV in there.

I asked these guys if they had ever experienced anything like that with their patients.

They told the story of one of their patients that accurately recounted to them (after surgery) all the events that took place during the surgery.

All the people that came in and out of the room during the procedure and detailed descriptions of the of the procedure, itself. The patient said he was viewing it all from the surgery suite's ceiling.

In an open heart surgery, the heart is stopped. I.E. flatlined.

One of the surgeons said he was disturbed by it all and actually called in a Psychiatrist to talk with the patient. I asked the other surgeon (from India) what he thought.

Smiling, he said "I'm a Hindu, we believe in all that stuff."

I have many other stories from my days working in a hospital.

It's hard to discount these stories when you have so many accounts from reliable people.

[_Simon Belmont]

The problem with that is that no one has actually died and come back to life. People's hearts stop, their breathing stops, but you're not dead until your brain dies. No one has ever come back from brain death.

There's a reason why these are called NEAR death experiences.

Option one is the only plausible explanation at this point.

Once again you are completely wrong. You are showing your lack of research and knowledge.

• People have NDEs while brain dead.
• They see verified events while out of body.
• Some people were dead for several days!

[_Morley]

Once again you are completely wrong. You are showing your lack of research and knowledge.

• People have NDEs while brain dead.
• They see verified events while out of body.
• Some people were dead for several days!

Wow. Great stuff. All from near-death.com. Did you read any of the rest of the site?

So, you're going with the "exhaustive scientific reasoning" on this site "which concludes that reincarnation is the only viable explanation that fits the facts" (http://www.near-death.com/experiences/research35.html). How are you going to reconcile that with the rest of your belief system?

The apple in your hand is an apple, Simon.

[_Buffalo]

Buffalo,

This is a very shallow view of the complexities of a NDE. I suggest you read some of Dr. Sam Parnia, Dr. Jeffrey Long, and other prominent medical doctors and researchers. I do believe Dr. Parnia will shed more light on the NDE when his preliminary findings are released within the next 6-12 months.

The so-called complexities of NDE are pretty shallow, I'd submit.

[_Buffalo]

The problem with that is that no one has actually died and come back to life. People's hearts stop, their breathing stops, but you're not dead until your brain dies. No one has ever come back from brain death.

There's a reason why these are called NEAR death experiences.

Option one is the only plausible explanation at this point.

Once again you are completely wrong. You are showing your lack of research and knowledge.

• People have NDEs while brain dead.
• They see verified events while out of body.
• Some people were dead for several days!

Not a credible source. Try again.

[_Buffalo]

The problem with that is that no one has actually died and come back to life. People's hearts stop, their breathing stops, but you're not dead until your brain dies. No one has ever come back from brain death.

There's a reason why these are called NEAR death experiences.

Option one is the only plausible explanation at this point.

Hey Buff,

I think we usually disagree on these subjects (though not much else). :).

Personal experience. You may have heard this story before (I think I may have posted it earlier).

I was chatting with two heart surgeons in the doctor's lounge one day and a program about NDE's came on the TV in there.

I asked these guys if they had ever experienced anything like that with their patients.

They told the story of one of their patients that accurately recounted to them (after surgery) all the events that took place during the surgery.

All the people that came in and out of the room during the procedure and detailed descriptions of the of the procedure, itself. The patient said he was viewing it all from the surgery suite's ceiling.

In an open heart surgery, the heart is stopped. I.E. flatlined.

One of the surgeons said he was disturbed by it all and actually called in a Psychiatrist to talk with the patient. I asked the other surgeon (from India) what he thought.

Smiling, he said "I'm a Hindu, we believe in all that stuff."

I have many other stories from my days working in a hospital.

It's hard to discount these stories when you have so many accounts from reliable people.

The man did not die, however. A flat line does not equal death. Why would his soul leave his body if he hadn't died? Perhaps the man was semi-conscious and remembered some details from the surgery. Perhaps the surgeon embellished the story. Both many times in magnitude more likely than the alternative.