stemelbow wrote: ... Most people hearing the whole story of Mormonism will think it all a hoax, I’m sure.
You are probably right - but don't let it get to you. The same applies to the stories of most (if not all) other religions, when they are recounted to people who were not taught to believe in them by their parents.
Mormonism perhaps has rather more problems than other religions, since its founding events took place in times and places where there were quite a few unbelievers about whose accounts have come down to us more or less directly. If the same was true of early Christianity or Islam, who knows what we would be saying about them?
(by the way, that is not an argument in favor of Mormonism being true.)
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
BartBurk wrote:Mormon apologists claim there was a second Hill Cumorah in Central America that was the scene of the final battle between the Nephites and the Lamanites. Moroni then buried the plates at the Hill Cumorah in New York. I personally can't imagine any way Moroni could have gotten those plates up there from Mexico. Why wouldn't they just say the final battle was in New York?
The Mormon Apologetics Articles of Faith 7. If you can create a chain of suppositions and assumptions in a way that might theoretically be somehow possible, the question has been conclusively answered.
Oh, Simon: I didn't quite see anything in the FAIR wiki here as to why anyone should believe that this happened. Would you be able to find that somewhere?
Have you counted the decades? If I recall correctly 385 AD to 420 something?
Seems like they are hoping this thread will die before having to answer your query. Kinda dodging and running from the question like Joseph did with his attackers while running with the 50 lbs. - 200 lbs. plates.
I'm glad you admit the low end. I actually did one mile with a 45 lb weight lifting bar not too long ago just to test this. Would have been easier if the bar ahd been more compact as would be the case with the plates. I'd have to say that a strapping young farm boy running for his life would probably have accomplished three miles with relative ease.
No doubt someone in training can manage to 'run' one mile with a weight just below the range of what the plates would have weighed if they were made of tumbaga, not gold - though I would like to know what time it took to 'run' that mile.
But to extrapolate from that to running three miles with a load that was almost certainly heavier, and then on top of that to
(a) fight off
and
(b) outrun (over a three mile distance)
THREE separate attackers, each one motivated by the belief that you are carrying a lump of gold - well, most readers will find it more probable that the story is, at best, a gross exaggeration, and at worst a total fabrication.
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
You're lying. I regularly do crossfit & some of the exercises involve weights that range from 25 lbs to 50 lbs. I've also worked around many people who would be considered extremely fit.
There is no way you can run over obstacles, run three miles, fight off attackers, and do it while carrying a 50+ lbs weight... Especially one that would flop around due to its design. The story is pure fabrication.
V/R Dr. Cam
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.