Atheism: the antithesis of cynicism

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Re: Atheism: the antithesis of cynicism

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mentalgymnast wrote: I think you're playing semantical chess. If you have a fair degree of trust in the concept of abiogenesis, you are exercising faith. But that's OK, I'm not wanting to start word games here. I'm just saying that when it comes to the origins of life, one must rely upon abiogenesis as being the keystone concept that must be true in order to push a god/creator of human beings on the earth out of the picture. This reliance is just another way of saying that you have to exercise faith. You seem to want to move the chess pieces around anyway that you can to avoid the reality that atheists must rely on faith as they rely on abiogenesis as being the "answer" to how life began.

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I can't really improve on what Quasimodo and Ren said.

I am curious, however, how you define faith. It seems to me it's one of those words that means something different to those who claim to have it depending on the situation they're using it. If I say that faith is "belief without evidence" I'll get some religious person telling me that's a strawman. In fact, it doesn't matter how I define it; someone will come along and tell me I don't know what it means, which is only partially true. I don't know what it means to them (at least, right at that moment, usually because they don't like what I'm saying about it). See your typical Hoops post for an example.

So if I knew exactly how you were using the word, I think I could more accurately address your comments.
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Re: Atheism: the antithesis of cynicism

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Actually, what is common around here is that you define faith in your way then proceed to criticize it.

That's fine, but let's see that for what it is.
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Hoops wrote:Actually, what is common around here is that you define faith in your way then proceed to criticize it.

That's fine, but let's see that for what it is.


What does faith mean to you?
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

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Re: Atheism: the antithesis of cynicism

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Yes, but their slavery wasn't so enshrined in scripture, as it was for the Christians. That's why I said maybe they'd have done away with it sooner.

False. Again.
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Hoops wrote:Actually, what is common around here is that you define faith in your way then proceed to criticize it.

That's fine, but let's see that for what it is.

What choice do I have? Since you, among others, can't be bothered to clearly explain yourself, preferring to hide what is really going on in that head of yours and obfuscating faith's meaning, I have to make an assessment of what people mean based on what they actually decide to say.

That's fine, but let's see that for what it is.
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Hoops wrote:.

Yes, but their slavery wasn't so enshrined in scripture, as it was for the Christians. That's why I said maybe they'd have done away with it sooner.

False. Again.


It's too bad that 99% of your arguments boil down to "Nuh uh!" with no supporting argument whatsoever. You're like the evangelical Nehor.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

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It's too bad that 99% of your arguments boil down to "Nuh uh!" with no supporting argument whatsoever. You're like the evangelical Nehor.

That may be too bad. But as you've written your response, anyone some degree of respect for thelanguage can see that your statement is false. I've shown you that the Bible does not command slavery, which is your position. I don't know what else I can do but explicityly and specifically show you where you're wrong.
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Hoops wrote:.

It's too bad that 99% of your arguments boil down to "Nuh uh!" with no supporting argument whatsoever. You're like the evangelical Nehor.

That may be too bad. But as you've written your response, anyone some degree of respect for thelanguage can see that your statement is false. I've shown you that the Bible does not command slavery, which is your position. I don't know what else I can do but explicityly and specifically show you where you're wrong.


No, you asserted it. My quotes prove otherwise. But "command" is your red herring. The mere fact that it was allowed and encouraged is enough. No one but a cynic would believe in such an amoral god.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

B.R. McConkie, © Intellectual Reserve wrote:There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilish.
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No, you asserted it. My quotes prove otherwise. But "command" is your red herring. The mere fact that it was allowed and encouraged is enough. No one but a cynic would believe in such an amoral god.

You tried to uses to answer my question to you of: show me where God commanded slavery. Of course, the verses you chose did no such thing. "command" is not my red herring, it's what you were supposed to provide evidence for and you failed.

Again. But that's your usual tactic. Make some ridiculous anti-Christian/God/Religious claim knowing that all the atheists/agnostics here will clap and stomp and cheer you on.
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What does it matter what the Bible says about slavery? This is a God who commanded genocide, ferchrissake. Slavery is small fries compared to that!
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