8.7 Million Species

[_Hoops]

1 - Which translation are you talking about here?

2 - Did dinosaurs not eat meat AND were there any alligators on Noah's ark?

Lol!

[_schreech]

Lol!

? - so all translations are the same and there were alligators on the ark? Or are you finally acknowledging that the entire story is laughable if you actually start to think it through?

[_Hoops]

Lol!

? - so all translations are the same and there were alligators on the ark? Or are you finally acknowledging that the entire story is laughable if you actually start to think it through?

No, I'm acknowledging that your questions are juvenile.

[_Jhall118]

Am I the only one that is worried that people in America actually still question whether or not science could figure out if there was a worldwide flood a mere 4000 years ago, and that these people are not minuscule in number, and are allowed to vote?

In the end, either you accept the (third grade) science of the water cycle, or you believe that god is just tricking us with the evidence for some reason to test our faith. I can't really see a middle ground.

[_Hoops]

Am I the only one that is worried that people in America actually still question whether or not science could figure out if there was a worldwide flood a mere 4000 years ago, and that these people are not minuscule in number, and are allowed to vote?

In the end, either you accept the (third grade) science of the water cycle, or you believe that god is just tricking us with the evidence for some reason to test our faith. I can't really see a middle ground.

You're not the only one who wants to criticize and dismiss the Biblical record before actually knowing what it is.

[_moksha]

Do you have any Biblical evidence that they are? Or is your childish amazement supposed to be evidence enough?

There must have been some reason that unicorns and dragons are now extinct. Doesn't this serve as a type of confirmation for the Great Flood (when the Tigress and Euphrates Rivers shifted to another continent)?

[_schreech]

No, I'm acknowledging that your questions are juvenile.

But the fact that you actually believe (and base your life) on an obvious work of fiction isn't "juvenile" - do you also hope to, one day, play quidditch ...Lol...I am guessing you would be a star on the various Star Trek fan sites...You believe in magical, animal carrying arks, they believe in sci-fi space ships - ....etc...

My 8 year old daughter thinks the story of noah is hilariously ridiculous...she loves reading it (and the story of jonah) for fun but laughs when i tell her that people think the stories are based on actual events....

[_Hoops]

But the fact that you actually believe (and base your life) on an obvious work of fiction isn't "juvenile" - do you also hope to, one day, play quidditch ...Lol...I am guessing you would be a star on the various Star Trek fan sites...You believe in magical, animal carrying arks, they believe in sci-fi space ships - ....etc...

My 8 year old daughter thinks the story of noah is hilariously ridiculous...she loves reading it (and the story of jonah) for fun but laughs when i tell her that people think the stories are based on actual events....

You must be so proud that you are teaching your 8 year old such staggering arrogance. Good for you!

[_keithb]

But the fact that you actually believe (and base your life) on an obvious work of fiction isn't "juvenile" - do you also hope to, one day, play quidditch ...Lol...I am guessing you would be a star on the various Star Trek fan sites...You believe in magical, animal carrying arks, they believe in sci-fi space ships - ....etc...

My 8 year old daughter thinks the story of noah is hilariously ridiculous...she loves reading it (and the story of jonah) for fun but laughs when i tell her that people think the stories are based on actual events....

You must be so proud that you are teaching your 8 year old such staggering arrogance. Good for you!

Actually, yes, good for you. Science should be arrogant. It has an amazing track record of getting things right and improving the lives of people.

Also, I don't really agree with the whole Jesus idea that humility is necessarily a good thing. Many of the people who have advanced the world have been pretty damn sure of themselves. From an atheist perspective, I don't see a good argument for humility, at least in all cases.

Keep teaching your 8 year old to be arrogant! :)

[_Chap]

Am I the only one that is worried that people in America actually still question whether or not science could figure out if there was a worldwide flood a mere 4000 years ago, and that these people are not minuscule in number, and are allowed to vote?

In the end, either you accept the (third grade) science of the water cycle, or you believe that god is just tricking us with the evidence for some reason to test our faith. I can't really see a middle ground.

You're not the only one who wants to criticize and dismiss the Biblical record before actually knowing what it is.

I hope my substantive post above shows that I am not one of those. Indeed, on the face of our posts I think I have demonstrated that I know the parts of the Bible we are discussing at least as well as you do - and in one case better, in that you thought mistakenly that the killing of animals began after the Flood, not after the Fall. I also knew what Psalm you were referring to on the matter of mountains 'rising up', when you had forgotten.

I note that you make no response to my substantive, well documented and I think eirenic post, but respond instead to posts that you feel you can answer in one-liners of a dismissive nature. Are you really in this for serious discussion of the Bible, or just to sneer at unbelievers? If the latter, I think you should ask yourself whether you may not be placing stumbling-blocks by giving the impression that being an EV Christian implies being intolerant of dissent, uninterested in real discussion of relevant evidence, and uncharitable towards unbelievers. Just saying.